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another_liberal

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126. I am a supporter of equal rights for all people, everywhere.

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 07:06 AM

Aug 2013

What I was ridiculing was your insistence that Russian authorities would wreck their own Olympics by prosecuting foreign participants who are (or seem to be) gay. The fact that some homophobic Duma member says that is what the Russian authorities will do means no more than when some hick Congressman from Bugtussle, Alabama says the United States will jail all abortion providers; in fact, it means even less. President Putin is firmly in control of Russia's internal policies. The Duma does not give orders to Russian authorities, unless Putin approves the orders first. When he says they are going to arrest gay Olympians, then I will believe it.

The "angle" I was referring to is your motive for trying to create heightened fear among gay athletes in regard to next year's Winter Olympics. These are young people who have trained long and hard for a chance to represent their country at one of the World's premiere sporting events. Does trying to scare them into not competing really serve their best interests, or the interests of the LGBT rights movement?

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Christians Will Be Subject To Arrest At The 2014 Olympics In Russia. [View all] DonRedwood Jul 2013 OP

K&R! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #1

What do we do though? Start a petition? Send out the Olympics Email? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #2

I think Gay people in sports need to start talking about this. Gay trainers who will have to go to hrmjustin Jul 2013 #5

Prepare a flash mob for the Olympics Shankapotomus Aug 2013 #125

Straight Society does not believe that oppression of LGBT people is the same as oppression of Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #3

Can you type that in DU with a straight face? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #15

You must be kidding theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #64

I type that with a gay face. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #84

No they don't. dbackjon Jul 2013 #97

I'm asking you to admit in writing that I said NOTHING about DU as you accused me of Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #119

There is no such thing as "Straight Society" or "Gay Society." pnwmom Jul 2013 #54

Not exactly. theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #66

I agree that GLBT -- and their children, who lack the legal protections other children have -- pnwmom Jul 2013 #68

When you have a country... theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #73

I agree that GLBT are second class citizens. But that doesn't mean that all straight people pnwmom Jul 2013 #75

Gay society and staight society does not mean all gay or straight people are the same Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #86

The legal system denies GLBT people rights. pnwmom Jul 2013 #89

Again, I did not say 'all' nor did I say 'uniform anti gay'. Those are your words, argue with Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #120

An alternative... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #4

I'd like the athletes to NOT be punished. DonRedwood Jul 2013 #8

That might be logistically and financially difficult... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #21

Yes, but if the law had been on the books they probably would not have been chosen DonRedwood Jul 2013 #26

So we should wait till they abuse or imprison gay athletes -- insulting and denigrating gay people pnwmom Jul 2013 #56

Typically you punish people AFTER they've done something wrong Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #98

They're already enacted a law that is wrong, and already threatened pnwmom Jul 2013 #99

So already arresting, beating and killing gays in Russia isn't wrong? dbackjon Jul 2013 #100

Not my country... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #121

If I were a gay athlete ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #16

Johnny Weir's TV show is enough for him to go to jail.... DonRedwood Jul 2013 #19

Point well taken... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #23

Russian prison in a rainbow colored leotard.... DonRedwood Jul 2013 #28

Truly - I guess ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #38

"If" they enforce the law? You think we should take a chance with our athletes? n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #55

Did you read this:"the law apparently allows only a fourteen day detention and deportation" Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #82

Um . . . are you sure you meant to respond to me? I've said more than once pnwmom Jul 2013 #90

This ain't smoke--there are actual LAWS that are anti-GLBT on the books in that regime. MADem Aug 2013 #123

I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #6

Untrue, again. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #7

So my husband and I can hold hands and not be arrested? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #9

Nope you can't, holding hands is apparently gay propaganda according to the law n/t Kurska Jul 2013 #11

Isn't that what I just said? GlashFordan Jul 2013 #13

How about you quote the law and the men who wrote them. DonRedwood Jul 2013 #20

My wife is Russian slick GlashFordan Jul 2013 #25

Holding hands is a public social protest? Because the law explicility covers that. Kurska Jul 2013 #31

Thats what I said. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #37

No, you're definitely lying. It is illegal to identify as homosexual in Russia. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #39

Oh so it is illegal, but you don't "think" it will be enforced. Kurska Jul 2013 #42

Your personal assurance on this subject is worth exactly nothing. pnwmom Jul 2013 #57

What do you think of Gay marriage? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #112

Because you said something different, that makes you a "troll" 7962 Jul 2013 #88

Absolute BS, It makes it illegal to do or say ANYTHING positive about gay people Kurska Jul 2013 #10

Again not true GlashFordan Jul 2013 #17

Russian lawmaker: We will arrest gay athletes, tourists at Olympic Games DonRedwood Jul 2013 #22

That's inaccurate. Not what he said in Russian nt GlashFordan Jul 2013 #27

So what did he say? Bradical79 Jul 2013 #49

Can you read Russian? pnwmom Jul 2013 #53

That agrees with everything I have said. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #58

No, it doesn't. Olympic athletes should be free to hold hands if they want to pnwmom Jul 2013 #60

Then support a boycott. nt GlashFordan Jul 2013 #63

Stop lying Kurska Jul 2013 #30

I've already defined the law accurately. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #41

What a joke Kurska Jul 2013 #44

Post it 7 times you're still wrong. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #48

If you want me to stop accusing you of lying, I suggest you start by not lying anymore. Kurska Jul 2013 #50

Right. bunnies Jul 2013 #67

Link you cited and additional links in cited article support position that law was intended to ban maui902 Jul 2013 #102

and those two gay men, what if one has to go to the hospital. Can the other visit? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #12

It is literally illegal for my partner and I to go to Russia and hold hands justiceischeap Jul 2013 #14

Thats true, in public. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #18

No, you just defend those same laws. DonRedwood Jul 2013 #24

Then don't go there. GlashFordan Jul 2013 #29

The whole point is....Olympians are supposed to go everywhere. Not be terrified to compete DonRedwood Jul 2013 #33

Why would they be terrified? GlashFordan Jul 2013 #43

Maybe they should be terrified of the roaving bands of skinheads kidnapping and torturing gay youth? Kurska Jul 2013 #45

This is like a more extreme form of Don't Ask Don't Tell. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #51

The US has a worse record GlashFordan Jul 2013 #62

It's worse in Russia because the violence against Shepherd wasn't state sponsored or sanctioned. pnwmom Jul 2013 #69

That's extremely dishonest. Private people commit heinous crimes all the time. This is a state issue stevenleser Jul 2013 #70

That is just plain not true. tkmorris Jul 2013 #78

OK, now you've lost me after that one 7962 Jul 2013 #96

I don't want to visit the anti-gay fascist police state of Russia either. Kurska Jul 2013 #35

This isn't just a personal issue. The whole US Olympic team needs to not go there. pnwmom Jul 2013 #52

Not defending, defining. nt GlashFordan Jul 2013 #59

yes you are. You are defending anti-gay STATE POLICY dbackjon Jul 2013 #105

Bullshit GlashFordan Jul 2013 #110

And you have been shown that you are WRONG. dbackjon Jul 2013 #113

You cannot divide public and private sexuality. It is collectively a persons sexual/social identity. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #34

Such a rosy picture you paint. It is illegal to be gay in Russia. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #32

Disagree GlashFordan Jul 2013 #46

The law is intended to marginalize gay public sexual identity. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #47

You keep saying "I don't think"... AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #77

And He Does Not, Sir: Only Honest Words He Has Said In The Thread The Magistrate Jul 2013 #80

Why are you so insistent on splitting hairs? That seems to be the real problem. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #83

Perhaps An Old Rhyme Holds The Answer, Sir.... The Magistrate Jul 2013 #87

See, I can understand the general impulse to be a contrarian. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #94

Yes, yes he is dbackjon Jul 2013 #106

Total BS In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #36

Russian lawmaker: We will arrest gay athletes, tourists at Olympic Games n2doc Jul 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #101

Could Snowden hurry and make some files Sheepshank Jul 2013 #40

I think we should have rainbows on ALL of our athletes uniforms. bunnies Jul 2013 #61

The Olympic Committee is not going to boycott any country with a fat purse. OldEurope Jul 2013 #65

True enough. The IOC has never met a repressive regime it didn't like. DinahMoeHum Jul 2013 #91

Why do you think they still have all the ritual, pomp and circumstance around the torch? backscatter712 Jul 2013 #117

No. 1936 was not Munich, it was Berlin. OldEurope Aug 2013 #128

I agree 100% gollygee Jul 2013 #71

I agree. I'm trying to decide how best for me personally to act on this. stevenleser Jul 2013 #72

More information on this here: pnwmom Jul 2013 #74

Seems rather explicit as to intent and anticipates any kind of behavior covered in the law. Ford_Prefect Jul 2013 #79

Fucking-A!!! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author truebluegreen Jul 2013 #85

What is your source? another_liberal Jul 2013 #92

It has been all over the news dbackjon Jul 2013 #107

That they are planning to arrest gay and Christian Olympic participants? another_liberal Jul 2013 #108

Not Christian - the OP was using that as an example of the outrage that would happen if dbackjon Jul 2013 #109

Highly dubious, to say the least. another_liberal Jul 2013 #111

What angle? Human Rights? You think Gay Rights are silly? dbackjon Jul 2013 #115

I am a supporter of equal rights for all people, everywhere. another_liberal Aug 2013 #126

Olympics should be moved. dbackjon Jul 2013 #93

The lady told me they have heard about this. Notafraidtoo Jul 2013 #95

They should be subject to boycott treestar Jul 2013 #103

rock the boat mitchtv Jul 2013 #104

But I love mens figure skating! LittleBlue Jul 2013 #114

The Olympics have been a shit-show for decades. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #116

We should not just wait for them to harass DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #118

So the only one who wouldn't be subject to Cha Aug 2013 #122

The Olympic Committee made a grave mistake giving the Olympics to Russia davidpdx Aug 2013 #124

^^This^^ Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #127