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157. There will be very little change in the spying,

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 06:09 AM

Aug 2013

and Rand Paul will go back to his usual anarchist spiel. The handful of Congresspeople who are running around as if the world is ending will calm down and act like grownups.
Governments exist not because we like to be spied on but because they are necessary. The most important reason they exist is to protect us from each other, to protect our rights from each other.
These programs are an attempt to balance data collection against rights. They are not going to end, the parts that only target foreigners will probably grow. Calm will be restored and any changes to the data collection will be minor. The data you voluntarily gave to corporations or to social media are much more likely to be used to harm you than the pen records that were stored by the NSA.

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Does it bother you even one little whit as a Democrat ?? [View all] kentuck Jul 2013 OP

it bothers me a lot especially has dems leadership is moving ever farther right of center each day msongs Jul 2013 #1

It not only bothers me as a Democrat dflprincess Jul 2013 #2

It bothered me more as it was happening, but the autopsy on America said it was due to a world wide wally Jul 2013 #131

It would... Except.. Fumesucker Jul 2013 #3

I'm hoping we can educate Americans to understand their own interests and choices so that JDPriestly Jul 2013 #70

Thanks JD, perfectly stated. Scuba Jul 2013 #77

Beautifully said, JDPriestly! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #81

Well said JD, thanks. nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #85

Thank you homegirl Jul 2013 #110

good post LittleGirl Jul 2013 #132

As always BobbyBoring Jul 2013 #141

So true. Thanks. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #155

As long as we make this a Democrat vs. Republican fight, we will lose. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #113

Wait, what? Doctor_J Jul 2013 #128

There have been a number of OPs based on that theory, some serious, some less so Fumesucker Jul 2013 #129

The Constitution was written by slaveholders. Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson among them. randome Jul 2013 #4

So you don't give a shit? kentuck Jul 2013 #5

As I have posted many times on this forum... randome Jul 2013 #7

Then they came for randome... kentuck Jul 2013 #9

I'm sure many are coming after me. randome Jul 2013 #10

Do you read history books? JDPriestly Aug 2013 #156

Appalling, isn't it, kentuck? Psychologically, I don't understand why some people truth2power Jul 2013 #111

It's a simple formulation: Maedhros Jul 2013 #125

Which puts you very much in the minority as the anger of the American grows the more they learn sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #19

Four day ago poll, Democrats are at 57% for NSA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #138

It doesn't matter, that will change when Congress returns determined now, as many members sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #139

It doesn't matter, the movement to end these abuses Progressive dog Jul 2013 #142

Wrong, this is just beginning. It is a rare showing of determination by members of Congress from sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #153

Sabrina, I think you are somewhat prescient on this... kentuck Jul 2013 #154

There will be very little change in the spying, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #157

ou need to catch up with today's news. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #159

The WH made this a priority some time ago, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #160

Lol, okay, far be it from me to destroy anyone's dreams. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #161

FROM the WH June 11, I guess CNN made it up Progressive dog Aug 2013 #162

What about protesting... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #26

I have no problem with protesters. Not in the slightest. randome Jul 2013 #44

Have you checked out this website? kentuck Jul 2013 #45

You need to see evidence, but you cheer for the incarceration of whistleblowers. Marr Jul 2013 #99

bother kardonb Jul 2013 #118

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Maedhros Jul 2013 #126

His only concern is whether it makes Obama look bad. RetroLounge Jul 2013 #38

So you agree with those, I think there's even a movement on this, who want to dispense with the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #16

I have an inherent distrust of slaveholders. So sue me. randome Jul 2013 #18

So what rights do you think should be taken from the American people? Everything granted in the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #20

My point was that our beloved Founders were very flawed individuals. randome Jul 2013 #28

Word salad. kentuck Jul 2013 #30

Camoflage....nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #82

Still can't get an answer. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #37

All our laws are capable of being modified. Witness the many amendments that were added. randome Jul 2013 #46

What was your previous ID name? kentuck Jul 2013 #49

Okay, I guess I was right. Thanks for the response, it explains a lot, a whole lot. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #54

Here, apparently you are in disagreement with the US Government on this, 'defending the constitution sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #67

So you find the Constitution iffy because it was written by slaveholders? n/t djean111 Jul 2013 #87

I know you are only using it as a diversion but maybe I can help you with your obsession A Simple Game Jul 2013 #109

Quoting the Founding Fathers is the diversion. randome Jul 2013 #145

Well let's all thank whoever we like to thank that you had to go back A Simple Game Jul 2013 #148

Do you own property (land)? kentuck Jul 2013 #22

I believe it's called attacking the messenger (s) to distract from the message. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #25

Yep. kentuck Jul 2013 #27

They seem to be stuck on that mode now. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #100

+1 nt TBF Jul 2013 #105

Voting rights had nothing to do with owning slaves. randome Jul 2013 #32

Oh well, then... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #24

The Constitution WAS NOT WRITTEN EXCLUSIVELY by slaveholders. It was not written in part by AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #50

I think it is clear what is going on. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #68

Well said, sabrina 1 theHandpuppet Jul 2013 #93

Mr. Franklin also owned two slaves. randome Aug 2013 #167

Since you are repeating yourself, this should also be repeated: AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #168

yes, concern about the constitution iIS a sign of racism markiv Jul 2013 #117

Collecting metadata is spying on innocent people, duh. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #150

About a year ago I reread "Nineteen Eighty-Four", the novel by George Orwell. ... spin Jul 2013 #6

That's good to know. People really are beginning to wake up, finally. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #21

The problem is that most people have little interest in what's happening to our nation ... spin Jul 2013 #31

Unfortunately, some of the 1984 readers are apparently using it as a blue-print. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #53

True. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #73

yes, many times over PowerToThePeople Jul 2013 #8

That's part of it JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #11

It's all happening so quickly... kentuck Jul 2013 #12

If only ignoring problems worked! JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #13

We can always blame it on Greenwald and Snowden... kentuck Jul 2013 #14

I see little of that in real life. JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #15

But the polls are showing a huge jump in the anger that is growing among the people. So it appears sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #23

Really post the links to your poll results from the "past week"..... 4bucksagallon Jul 2013 #64

I agree, NEVER give up! JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #84

Nothing can be more close to home than the erosion of our 1st and 4th Amendment rights. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #34

Poverty/hunger are effective distractions! JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #83

Careful, Julie. You are beginning to channel FDR! bvar22 Jul 2013 #112

Yes! JNelson6563 Jul 2013 #120

It bothers me a lot zeemike Jul 2013 #17

I know, right?!? chervilant Jul 2013 #76

Well said zeemike Jul 2013 #88

Anyone can throw stones MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #29

Now I feel safer... kentuck Jul 2013 #33

I hope you realize you just outed Government sockpuppet Manny think Jul 2013 #39

You know... 1awake Jul 2013 #41

I hear ya. think Jul 2013 #43

You notice... kentuck Jul 2013 #47

It's very apparent. think Jul 2013 #51

Yes... Unfortunately I've noticed many things, 1awake Jul 2013 #52

They put me in mind of quislings Divernan Jul 2013 #57

Conspicuous by their absence, indeed. Scuba Jul 2013 #79

It bothers me more than I can say... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #35

Yes. It bothers me. zentrum Jul 2013 #36

Very much so RetroLounge Jul 2013 #40

Yes. I'm actually fairly depressed about these things.... think Jul 2013 #42

Any sentient being holding traditional/progressive Dem. values is depressed. Divernan Jul 2013 #58

not bothered, I have been PISSED OFF about the govt of this country since the 60s. whenever niyad Jul 2013 #48

Yes, but WI is the bloody canary in the mine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #55

It bothers me, it grieves me. crim son Jul 2013 #56

First, we must understand that we were never truly FREE....... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #59

am i really supposed to be shocked to learn that the government keeps secrets? Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #60

The OP never refers to Obama. That was YOUR conclusion - a little defensive, are we? Divernan Jul 2013 #65

i commented on YOUR disregard for truth Dustin DeWinde Jul 2013 #74

NO. You were replying to & attacking the OP as a teabagger, to use your word. Divernan Jul 2013 #86

It doesn't bother me as a democrat Janecita Jul 2013 #61

It bothers me. bluestateboomer Jul 2013 #62

I'm more than a whit bothered defacto7 Jul 2013 #63

I don't care about the 1st or the 4th, Pale Blue Dot Jul 2013 #66

Far too many game the system polynomial Jul 2013 #69

It's a new and complicated issue. It compares with discussions on nuclear detente. reusrename Jul 2013 #75

It's all for profit. woo me with science Jul 2013 #71

Way past a whit. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #72

kentuck, it bothers the shit out of me. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #78

Several large whits. Thanks Kentuck. Scuba Jul 2013 #80

Did Bush's first amendment zones and arrest Skidmore Jul 2013 #89

Can you explain this a little further? kentuck Jul 2013 #91

What's happening is horrific. I'm angry and disgusted by all of it. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #90

Yes, Alkene Jul 2013 #92

Your hypos are imaginary treestar Jul 2013 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Jul 2013 #95

But elected officials have 'unlimited rights' to abuse their power without interruption by the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #97

your first line said it. you "don't know anything about the WI case" in that case, you are not niyad Jul 2013 #98

There are none so blind as those that refuse to see. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #136

"Your hypos are imaginary" Bonobo Jul 2013 #146

it is all very troubling to a few noiretextatique Jul 2013 #96

Honestly, kentuck, the fascism I am increasingly seeing displayed here is breaking my old yellowdog Zorra Jul 2013 #101

More than a little. LWolf Jul 2013 #102

I started being bothered a couple of decades ago stupidicus Jul 2013 #103

I suffered outrage fatigue during W's run. So many outrages, so little time to digest til the next. raouldukelives Jul 2013 #104

Seems this was more about not getting a permit - lynne Jul 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Jul 2013 #107

Have you no conscience? Caretha Jul 2013 #114

In heaven05 Jul 2013 #108

It bothers me, and more than a little bit Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #115

So, what's the fix? Faux pas Jul 2013 #116

Here's your training manuel (PDF) Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #119

Are all of us reading this? Faux pas Aug 2013 #163

I hope so Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #164

Thank you! Faux pas Aug 2013 #165

Sorry, I have issues of my own. I have to get online for Amazon, go to Costco, Safetykitten Jul 2013 #121

The amendment that I'd like to take away is the 2nd. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #122

Democrats didn't do that stuff. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #123

It scares me, kentuck, and I feel absolutely powerless. Bertha Venation Jul 2013 #124

Bothers Me a Lot fredamae Jul 2013 #127

We've lost. Because for decades we didn't know who was doing what to us while it was happening. ancianita Jul 2013 #130

I obsess over every one of these! lark Jul 2013 #133

I think our mistake was not to pressure him to put more liberals in his Cabinet. kentuck Jul 2013 #134

I have to refrain from expressing my opinion regarding Scott Walker Scootaloo Jul 2013 #135

It bothers me every time I recite The pledge of Allegiance WHEN CRABS ROAR Jul 2013 #137

The Constitution: It's not just a "piece of paper." KansDem Jul 2013 #140

yup.... madrchsod Jul 2013 #143

I've been told by a couple of DU'ers obxhead Jul 2013 #144

And that's why we've lost FiveGoodMen Jul 2013 #147

K&r avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #149

YES!!!!!!!!!! Pharaoh Jul 2013 #151

Nope. Not one little bit. Bake Jul 2013 #152

Bothers me? 99Forever Aug 2013 #158

Multiple, large whits are given, by me. +++ DirkGently Aug 2013 #166

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #169