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haele

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197. Being a daughter of history teachers and (at age 4-6)having gone to UC Berkley classes with parents,
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

I would be able to read the words, and if they were presented in context, perhaps pick each of them out in a "find the vocabulary word" in a sentence quiz but - remember, context is still everything at that age, even if the kid is a genius. At six or seven, the children are just emerging from a psychological "world revolves around me" worldview that is base on experiences (and play), and though they may seem to appreciate the liberal arts and the world around them, their learning outside personal experience is still pretty much rote, and the understanding that comes there are other lives outside them and (perhaps) their immediate family is still not that clear.
Remembering what I was doing at five, six, seven...if I couldn't "play" through my reading, it was difficult to comprehend what was going on. I remember I read the actual book Black Beauty at the age five, and a couple hours a day where I had to entertain myself as my parents worked and my baby brother was napping. I had a neighbor mom/sitter who had made hand drawn paper dolls and horses and a chalkboard on easel; I would read two or three chapters, then act out the story with the dolls and the chalkboard. I also colored in ten or so line drawings (and some of the words) that were in the book (I still have the book, and did I ever color it up!). While I wasn't protected "babied" like many five or six year olds, I wasn't expected to comprehend read at the same level as a high school senior or college student. I was still learning through experience and context presentation.

Flash forward forty years, and I can't tell you the frustrating hours working with my then-14-year-old stepdaughter to drag her through middle school vocabulary lists that look the same as this, because her education was based "activity books" and "teaching the test" - standardizing and qualifying education as a science - rather than through learning experiences - where both static (the ubiquitous activity book) and kinetic (films, creative in class projects, play-acting) lessons appropriate for individual levels of maturity are presented within the age range, and the teacher has to know their subject instead of just regurgitating a text book lesson plan. Heck, Sunday School does a better job at age-appropriate "Bible Study" than most schools do with any sort of education, and it's expected that most Sunday School teachers use that mix of static and kinetic to teach.

Something like teaching young children about Mesopotamia by building a ziggarut or modeling early irrigation, making clay tablets and play-acting an active scene from the life of the average inhabitant of that culture at the same time there's a reading lesson and vocabulary presentation, instead of just giving them an activity coloring book and letting them loose on it to rise or sink by their capability and parent's involvement.
That's not touchy-feely, that's getting the child to learn the hows and whys of civilization rather than passing a test through rote memorization, then forgetting the lesson once the tests are done.

So from personal experience, as to the list above, while I would have been able to understand these words at the age of six, this would still be extremely difficult list if I were expected to just read, then independently spell these vocabulary on a test at the age of six or seven rather than experience the lesson and learn the vocabulary through that experience. Especially since reading is not the same as spelling.

Haele

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I assume 1st Grade is 6 year olds. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #1
I was 7 in first grade. Neoma Jul 2013 #121
think i was four. loli phabay Jul 2013 #125
buchans prestor john or scott's tales of my grandfather were mine i think loli phabay Jul 2013 #123
My SIL is 9 years old. This is what she does for FUN -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #191
holy (wholly) ridiculous is what I think. insane. pukeworthy. cali Jul 2013 #2
Well, I am qualified, LWolf Jul 2013 #144
kick because I HATE this so much cali Jul 2013 #3
"How to crush any incipient love of learning" = the objective... HiPointDem Jul 2013 #5
so gobsmacked by this I have to kick it- again. cali Jul 2013 #4
kids will be tested on this stuff to grade their teachers erodriguez Jul 2013 #6
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7
That's NCLB in a nutshell. longship Jul 2013 #8
NCLBOT MindPilot Jul 2013 #30
Not just NCLB. LWolf Jul 2013 #146
Nice Orrex Jul 2013 #23
Beyond the fact it seems too advanced mainer Jul 2013 #9
i have no objection to them being taught either. however, i wouldn't teach mesopotamia as HiPointDem Jul 2013 #10
But if you want to teach in chronological order, Mesopotamia must be taught mainer Jul 2013 #11
first of all what's so important about teaching history in choronological order to cali Jul 2013 #14
kids need a global perspective mainer Jul 2013 #24
first they need to learn how to read so that they can gain a global perspective cali Jul 2013 #44
I agree. I learned how to read back in the Late Cretaceous matthews Jul 2013 #63
I absolutely love your post cali Jul 2013 #71
Thank you. Sometimes I think it's hard for people to understand how matthews Jul 2013 #91
I have a brother who hates to read cali Jul 2013 #94
Puff redwitch Jul 2013 #79
I believe you're right. Puff. nt matthews Jul 2013 #84
+1 octoberlib Jul 2013 #42
why do you think you need to teach civilizations in chronological order? that would mean they HiPointDem Jul 2013 #16
"Explain the significance of the Code of Hammurab" cali Jul 2013 #18
i'd bet the 'expected answer' is 'first laws in the world' or something simple like that. still HiPointDem Jul 2013 #19
yep. meaningless. I hate these people and what this shit does to kids cali Jul 2013 #20
These goals enlightenment Jul 2013 #58
wow. so much better. I wish you'd post about this as an op cali Jul 2013 #80
interesting. i see similarities. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #83
Gotta embed some authoritarianism into their little minds right from the git-go MindPilot Jul 2013 #28
History is not generally taught "in order." LWolf Jul 2013 #154
is it remotely appropriate to 5 and 7 year old children? Fuck NO cali Jul 2013 #12
So fuck no to teaching kids about mummies and ancient history? mainer Jul 2013 #25
You appear to need some remedial reading comprehension instruction cali Jul 2013 #27
"shit," "fucking soulless" and "mindless" just wasn't what came to my mind when I saw these words mainer Jul 2013 #29
oh for pity's sake, of course ancient history needn't be soulless cali Jul 2013 #32
So you're reacting to "common core curriculum" as being soulless shit mainer Jul 2013 #34
I didn't force feed anything to my kid cali Jul 2013 #37
My kids were taught some of this in 1st grade and they loved it, retained it and understood it. Pisces Jul 2013 #111
That's still the goal here. vaberella Jul 2013 #72
The words are actually not too advanced for the students. vaberella Jul 2013 #68
'ideally'. however, the ideal world is not the real world. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #85
I teach ESL in NYC. It can work. vaberella Jul 2013 #115
you teach high school. public or charter? neighborhood? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #116
Public, Bronx. I work in High-Need neighborhoods vaberella Jul 2013 #126
that's because there *is* a difference between elementary & high school kids, regardless of HiPointDem Jul 2013 #127
Wow...funny. vaberella Jul 2013 #139
your response seems to have nothing to do with my post. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #186
Wow... vaberella Aug 2013 #187
you can call them whatever you like. public schools don't have a board with a Goldman sachs HiPointDem Aug 2013 #198
Standard 6th grade social studies LWolf Jul 2013 #147
I kind of question why they're being taught all this at such an early age in the first place. reformist2 Jul 2013 #13
How about teaching them to read, to count, to add? cali Jul 2013 #15
Exactly. This story has me interested in what the official NY first-grade curriculum looks like! reformist2 Jul 2013 #17
I realize that kids need to be challenged to learn new things, but this seems extremely Arkansas Granny Jul 2013 #21
1st grade is too early for most of this vocabulary LibertyLover Jul 2013 #22
It is not too early. No vocabulary is truthfully too early for a student. n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #73
of course some vocabulary is too early for a student cali Jul 2013 #77
It's not forcefed. vaberella Jul 2013 #118
how about teaching them to read first? or don't you consider that important? cali Jul 2013 #141
I read them. They're not out of order. vaberella Jul 2013 #149
You're a teacher. I expect you to know that most kids don't know how to read cali Jul 2013 #160
Actually kids should be reading by age 6 or 7. vaberella Aug 2013 #184
Are 1st graders studying 6th grade history? LWolf Jul 2013 #26
That is a very thinly veiled religious curriculum MindPilot Jul 2013 #31
This does seem too advanced for first grade. I was in first grade in (ahem) 1957, and I Nay Jul 2013 #33
I don't think you're far off base cali Jul 2013 #39
Oh, very true. In the end, as I said, it's about money -- part of that is getting rid of Nay Jul 2013 #47
my daughter just finished first grade and did modules on aegypt and ancient china loli phabay Jul 2013 #49
At first this threw me. But this isn't too much, if the kids get into it. Robb Jul 2013 #35
I know four-year-olds who can name all the dinosaurs in a picture book. mainer Jul 2013 #38
sometimes it seems that some kids shows are the best educators out there loli phabay Jul 2013 #51
exactly. n/t vaberella Jul 2013 #75
because it's no different from learning the names of all their dogs. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #88
See Dick. See Jane. See Dick and Jane run... away. GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2013 #36
All children learn at different rates Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #40
To all of the people crowing about 1st grade being too "early" for this stuff. Xithras Jul 2013 #41
I'm not. Now granted I grew up in a house of books cali Jul 2013 #45
Not reading until the first grade? Xithras Jul 2013 #50
I don't know where your wife teaches but most children do not know cali Jul 2013 #62
What is their socio-economic level? roody Jul 2013 #178
Many children are not started early roody Jul 2013 #179
This does not seem to be correct, at least not in Ontario. I have included a link Nay Jul 2013 #46
I can't comment as to the differences between the Canadian provincial educational systems. Xithras Jul 2013 #52
there is no canadian curriculum, so i don't know how you could make such a claim. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #90
See my link. I posted the Ontario curriculum statements as one example of a Canadian- Nay Jul 2013 #102
i was addressing the other poster's implied claim that 'canada' has a national curriculum. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #104
Oh, sorry, I see that. Yes, I think that other poster has been reading Arne Duncan's crap. nt Nay Jul 2013 #122
the US does not measure near last hfojvt Jul 2013 #48
It really does depend on which numbers you're looking at Xithras Jul 2013 #57
We've started teaching to the lowest common denominator mainer Jul 2013 #60
you were gifted. Most kids aren't you. cali Jul 2013 #65
it definetly in the expectations, the touchy touchy feel good stuff stifles the kids loli phabay Jul 2013 #64
what do you mean by touchy feely? cali Jul 2013 #69
is that why you can't spell definitely? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #97
yeah like spelling really matters on the internet, you know its pretty much the sign of a loser loli phabay Jul 2013 #105
i only spellcheck them when they're ranting about how poorly educated others are. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #106
my education is sufficient for my needs and as i said spelling on the internet who cares loli phabay Jul 2013 #109
you're the one complaining about how poor education based on the results of standardized tests HiPointDem Jul 2013 #114
once again its the internet, totally different different from real life loli phabay Jul 2013 #117
I hate to break this to you but the internet doesn't transform the rules of spelling or cali Jul 2013 #152
lol yeah like there are professional consequences for misspelling a word on DU loli phabay Jul 2013 #158
lol, sweets, but that's not what I said. cali Jul 2013 #163
sloppy works, i just let the fill in crap thing on my kindle mess stuff up loli phabay Jul 2013 #164
you're the one ranting about other people's poor education. i wonder how you would even HiPointDem Aug 2013 #182
lol, as i said on here i do not care about my spelling grammar etc etc loli phabay Aug 2013 #188
it depends on what global test you're looking at, for what year, for what subject. OECD doesn't HiPointDem Jul 2013 #96
That's partially true. LWolf Jul 2013 #162
Lets add one more lesson. Ganja Ninja Jul 2013 #43
Like politics, philosophy, economics and the arts LanternWaste Jul 2013 #55
Homeschooling NewThinkingChance40 Jul 2013 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #194
Yes, they test regularly NewThinkingChance40 Aug 2013 #195
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Apparently Early World Civilizations (TM) were limited to those practicing the Abrahamic religions?? kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #54
+1 roody Jul 2013 #180
Many first graders do not understand roody Jul 2013 #56
but, but, but people in this thread are telling me they should know how to cali Jul 2013 #74
I think that is because they roody Jul 2013 #87
but shouldn't they know that? that's hardly hidden knowledge cali Jul 2013 #89
Ironic you should say that. roody Jul 2013 #113
First Grade: I remember First Grade. MineralMan Jul 2013 #59
You're from the same era I am, and I went to California public schools mainer Jul 2013 #61
I agree with you. Still, my point is that the very things MineralMan Jul 2013 #76
Hello fellow NYC Teacher. I'm High School and I teach ESL although I was ESL/Global. vaberella Jul 2013 #66
The OP should ring a Bell. But you are a teacher in NYC, what do you know? msanthrope Jul 2013 #140
Yup. Throughout the thread. vaberella Jul 2013 #175
Well, if teachers are going to be evaluated, I think it's best if everyone has a common msanthrope Aug 2013 #193
This is pretty close to what my daughter had in first grade. I don't see why the msanthrope Jul 2013 #67
so your kid could do the following by the end of first grade? cali Jul 2013 #78
She could do most of those things by the end of the first grade, with msanthrope Jul 2013 #82
right. and comes from a family who values learning and has that luxury cali Jul 2013 #86
So we should dumb-down standards for those children? I want to read your theory of msanthrope Jul 2013 #92
no. we should teach them to read and to love reading cali Jul 2013 #95
Interestingly, my kid's teacher was able to teach reading right along side msanthrope Jul 2013 #103
interestingly, your kid goes to an elite private school. cali Jul 2013 #107
Well, she's 10, now. "find out what they're interested in and turn them loose." msanthrope Jul 2013 #133
and you bet wrong. why people make silly assumptions is beyond me. cali Jul 2013 #138
Did you homeschool? Because otherwise, your child went to a school where I have no msanthrope Jul 2013 #142
My kid was not homeschooled but he went cali Jul 2013 #148
With the advantages your child had, they would not be able to handle Common Core? msanthrope Jul 2013 #150
I didn't say that, but thank the goddess he wasn't cali Jul 2013 #166
Sounds like my grade 10 History class. Metric System Aug 2013 #183
????????? Good Grief. PUBLIC education? DonRedwood Jul 2013 #70
Some of the words don't fit the narrative of Early World Civilizations Rex Jul 2013 #81
I want them to focus on teaching the kids to read cali Jul 2013 #93
I agree 100% with ya on that. Rex Jul 2013 #131
Remembering my own elementary school education, MineralMan Jul 2013 #98
They also used a different method of teaching when we were both young. Rex Jul 2013 #134
There was standardized testing in elementary school MineralMan Jul 2013 #143
Yes, but teachers were not told by the administration to Rex Jul 2013 #151
Right. They weren't. The testing was used for individual MineralMan Jul 2013 #159
Yes and I am generalizing here to a degree. Rex Jul 2013 #161
It looks like a lot of the vocab comes from a popular woodsprite Jul 2013 #99
If you're making the assumption the standards are too high, I'm going to disagree. Vashta Nerada Jul 2013 #100
yeah, because memorzing information that they have no context for is so much cali Jul 2013 #110
No context? vaberella Jul 2013 #119
no, it's not. cali Jul 2013 #128
Are you a teacher? Vashta Nerada Jul 2013 #157
No, and there are plenty of teachers in this thread saying it's cali Jul 2013 #167
You've wrapped up the dysfunction of our system with that one phrase: LWolf Jul 2013 #170
great post LWolf. That is what I have always tried to teach my son. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #172
It's interesting to note that Robert Marzano, LWolf Jul 2013 #173
What's the big deal. Dick and Jane used those words all the time. yellowcanine Jul 2013 #101
My first grader learned these words in an overview of the 3 main religions. This is an introduction Pisces Jul 2013 #108
I think you need to read what the requirements entail cali Jul 2013 #112
You are correct. Because there is no standardized exam on Global until 10th grade. vaberella Jul 2013 #129
There are standardized tests in 5th grade for social studies which include 'global' questions. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #130
Ah yes--I remember my regent's diploma and regent's scholarship. Aiming high is a good thing. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #135
Of course not. vaberella Jul 2013 #145
some nyc schools don't even have art, but you think they're making sarcophagi & prayer rugs. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #132
That doesn't mean NYC teachers can't take the initiative to bring them into the classroom. vaberella Jul 2013 #153
gee vaberella, when you're following a scripted curriculum and take weeks off the regular HiPointDem Aug 2013 #181
Don't believe what you're reading. What script?! vaberella Aug 2013 #185
i would forget it, there is an ancient persian saying that fits trying to talk to certain posters loli phabay Aug 2013 #189
That is a major problem. Art, Music and PE are critical components of learning. Pisces Jul 2013 #171
Exactly--my kid saw the same concepts in1st and 3rd grades, and will revisit them again. msanthrope Jul 2013 #137
This is sixth grade vocabulary in Florida. Here, they study world history in 1monster Jul 2013 #120
That will change. Florida is signed on to the Common Core State Standards. vaberella Jul 2013 #155
One must learn to walk before training to run a marathon. 1monster Aug 2013 #190
Check out the ELA standards Nevernose Jul 2013 #124
That's nuts. bluedigger Jul 2013 #136
lol, to true computer games open up the context for a lot of stuff loli phabay Jul 2013 #156
I will be putting my son in private school this year. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #165
mine will go private when they are teens, though my daughter wants to go to switzerland now loli phabay Jul 2013 #168
in a word? Bravo. And fuck race to the top. cali Jul 2013 #169
Well, my first grader knows most of these words, but she Fawke Em Jul 2013 #174
first grade?... really ...first grade? madrchsod Jul 2013 #176
Very Theist. Is it for a religious school or a real school? nt valerief Jul 2013 #177
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Being a daughter of history teachers and (at age 4-6)having gone to UC Berkley classes with parents, haele Aug 2013 #197
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