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17. Alcohol and guns are a toxic mix

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:34 PM

Aug 2013

About 4 years ago some people were trying to get guns in bars here in Tn. Ironically one of the sponsors of the bill was caught driving while intoxicated with a gun in his car. My neighborhood bar is owned by an extremely nice republican family, heck they even voted for Romney last year! And they were mortified with the idea of allowing guns in their bar. Alcohol ( especially liquor) can turn a nice person into the scariest meanest person you've ever seen. I remember a particular incident when I was 16. My twin brother and I were at a friend's party, and one guy there got TRASHED on whisky and jagermeister. Things were going fine until a guy we had just met that night at the party made a joke about how crazy the drunk guy acts when he's drunk. That's all it took, the guy who was really drunk went to a closet and pulled out a gun ( which he said was loaded) and pointed it at random people in the room. ( including me, and I didn't even know the guy!) Some people were screaming and some people snuck out the door. He kept on trying to aim at the guy who made the joke but I guess he was too drunk to have the proper coordination to do so. Finally someone got up, roughed the drunk guy up a bit until he gave up the gun. After that my brother and I got up and ran like hell. I got out of there so fast that I left my shoes there! I later found out that the guy who pointed the gun at us was actually an o.k. guy and a friend wanted me to meet him while he was sober. Of course I declined, and I told my friend he's lucky I didn't press charges! Now looking back at it, I regret not pressing charges.

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Why I won't allow guns in Keefer's Restaurant [View all] Robb Aug 2013 OP

Bravo mick063 Aug 2013 #1

Same for me. AndyA Aug 2013 #8

Out of sight, out of mind? X_Digger Aug 2013 #16

Concealed carry is concealed for a reason. rl6214 Aug 2013 #72

Yeah, so the toter won't look like a silly fool. Hoyt Aug 2013 #83

Yep mick063 Aug 2013 #101

And this comment doesn't make any sense at all. rl6214 Aug 2013 #109

Your reply sure doesn't make sense, but the one you are replying to does. RC Aug 2013 #119

Yeah, none of these people needed to kill their own food either rl6214 Aug 2013 #122

yeah heaven05 Aug 2013 #118

I vaguely know Glenn Keefer. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #2

How does he enfore that rule? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #141

We are now entering the Twilight Zone in NC, too, with guns allowed in bars. mnhtnbb Aug 2013 #3

Virginia also... thecrow Aug 2013 #29

"The Bible is violent." WorseBeforeBetter Aug 2013 #65

"You look like the Devil this morning," Blam Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #115

I agree. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #127

I'm glad that he's up front about it... Pelican Aug 2013 #4

Do you live in his area? JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #22

Nope... Pelican Aug 2013 #25

It's an upscale steak house. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #26

I think this man's idea JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #37

I agree with you. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2013 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #40

Hooey Hooey Hooey JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #44

Thanks for explaining that. tumtum Aug 2013 #48

My dad JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #60

I'm ashamed to say that during my tours I did use the term. tumtum Aug 2013 #106

why regret it DustyJoe Aug 2013 #177

Would you consider yourself a racist? Bandit Aug 2013 #179

Back then? Yes. tumtum Aug 2013 #180

DINKS = Double Income - No Kids LanternWaste Aug 2013 #45

Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #49

Guess I am not in the vast majority... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #82

In somewhat more recent usage ... surrealAmerican Aug 2013 #46

Got it, see post 48. tumtum Aug 2013 #50

If I lived there he'd get LOTS of my business. I agree completely with him. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #41

If they're carrying concealed, how do you know they're carrying? tumtum Aug 2013 #42

If you lived where I lived JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #47

That may be true, but that's not what I asked. tumtum Aug 2013 #51

If I answer the question JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #59

You may think nobody knows. RC Aug 2013 #121

I guess we'll cancel each other out... as he just found a new customer in me. LanternWaste Aug 2013 #43

Me too, I'd eat there if I end up in that area in my travels. Erose999 Aug 2013 #52

It's a great point--we don't allow people to drink and drive, why should they be allowed msanthrope Aug 2013 #5

Who's allowing people to drink and carry concealed? (It *is* still illegal, btw..) X_Digger Aug 2013 #20

The Illinois law thecrow Aug 2013 #27

The other half of that is that it doesn't allow *carrying* while drinking. X_Digger Aug 2013 #28

If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #74

Without pulling a driver over, how do you know he has a license? X_Digger Aug 2013 #84

Why bother with your chart and the last sentence? My question has nothing to do with that. AlinPA Aug 2013 #86

No, it's perfectly relevant. X_Digger Aug 2013 #87

Texas CHL holders are merely better at beating the rap. Robb Aug 2013 #88

Oh look, random data point without data for comparison. X_Digger Aug 2013 #96

Don't let good data get in the way of manufactured stereotype... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #131

"Culture war", Wayne? Robb Aug 2013 #137

Yep. Casual denigration doesn't hide anything. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #140

I'm not proposing anything. My point is how the hell would you know if someone has a gun if it AlinPA Aug 2013 #89

The same way you 'know' if someone driving down the road has a license.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #97

Prevalent convictions...frequency..? Try this: 10 people drinking in a bar. One of them is hiding a AlinPA Aug 2013 #98

Easy, The criminal! Bazinga Aug 2013 #100

Can't see what conviction numbers have to do with it it. Maybe frisking everyone at the bar? AlinPA Aug 2013 #102

Or how about not encouraging a culture of reckless gun toting? ellisonz Aug 2013 #146

I like the Texas approach to this problem oneshooter Aug 2013 #147

Did you read the OP article? ellisonz Aug 2013 #150

What about an olive garden, or a Texas roadhouse? Bazinga Aug 2013 #160

Is there some rule that says one cannot become intoxicated at the Olive Garden while gun toting? n/t ellisonz Aug 2013 #161

Yes there is. It is against the law. Bazinga Aug 2013 #162

So clearly then we should set an arbitrary limit on where one can tote where alcohol is served? ellisonz Aug 2013 #163

Why is no guns while intoxicated not enough? Bazinga Aug 2013 #164

"Why do I have to compromise my safety because of someone else's beverage choice?" ellisonz Aug 2013 #165

Absolutely right. Bazinga Aug 2013 #166

The Second Amendment does not afford a right to carry whatever gun, whenever, wherever you please. ellisonz Aug 2013 #167

Please define threatened. Bazinga Aug 2013 #168

Tough shit. ellisonz Aug 2013 #169

Well then I'll side with the Democrats, Bazinga Aug 2013 #170

That doesn't mean what you think it does. ellisonz Aug 2013 #171

Fair enough. Bazinga Aug 2013 #172

We don't disagree. One of us is giving the interpretation of the Constitution as declared by SCOTUS. ellisonz Aug 2013 #173

What was hypothetical about my argument? Bazinga Aug 2013 #175

You didn't address my post at all. ellisonz Aug 2013 #178

Nor you mine. Bazinga Aug 2013 #181

Nobody. Travis_0004 Aug 2013 #128

alot of people blueamy66 Aug 2013 #138

^^^^ ellisonz Aug 2013 #145

It allows you to CC, as long as the owner doesn't ban firearms, tumtum Aug 2013 #30

It depends on whether IL concealed carry allows drinking while carrying rl6214 Aug 2013 #73

Its a social more that a restaurant is expected to cut a drunk off at a certain point and encourage Erose999 Aug 2013 #54

And that is the law in states that allow concealed carry in restaurants. X_Digger Aug 2013 #55

there are plenty of other places for gun humpers to go Skittles Aug 2013 #77

Sure there are. tumtum Aug 2013 #104

sorry, I cannot help with your affliction Skittles Aug 2013 #111

Affliction in your eyes, tumtum Aug 2013 #123

sorry, it's not me who is paranoid Skittles Aug 2013 #124

It sounds like you're paranoid of people with firearms. tumtum Aug 2013 #125

Not this shit again ellisonz Aug 2013 #149

Nobody's forcing you to read it. tumtum Aug 2013 #153

Paranoid? You guys can't venture out without a gun strapped to your body. Hoyt Aug 2013 #157

You're funny. tumtum Aug 2013 #158

Sounds reasonable - it is all about choice. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #6

I didn't know Ben Kingsley had a brother Dash87 Aug 2013 #7

"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." Jim__ Aug 2013 #9

It is illegal to be drunk and to drive. In many states it is illegal to be drunk and to carry a gun. hack89 Aug 2013 #11

You are incorrect. blueamy66 Aug 2013 #139

No, and it would still be illegal to do so in IL after this change. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #21

Only a total gun crazy would disagree, lark Aug 2013 #39

Thanks for acknowledging I am not a "total gun crazy." Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #135

As a gun owner and restaurant worker, this guy makes a very clear and to me obvious point: marble falls Aug 2013 #10

In many states it is a crime to use a gun while intoxicated. hack89 Aug 2013 #12

I agree totaly. I'd go a step further: being arrested drunk with a firearm should lose one's right.. marble falls Aug 2013 #15

Just like a drunk driver should permanently lose their license. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #18

A person with more than two or three DUIs should lose his license at least until the drinking stops. marble falls Aug 2013 #24

No. One DUI is all that is necessary to kill an innocent person hack89 Aug 2013 #32

I'll drink to that. marble falls Aug 2013 #35

You generally do Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #92

Thanks for a common sense approach. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #132

I wonder how many customers leave his place just under the legal limit but still impaired? hack89 Aug 2013 #13

Am I the 'he' of which you speak? I cut my customers off at two drinks in one hour and keep.... marble falls Aug 2013 #136

never thought about this mgardener Aug 2013 #14

Are you saying that your state does not alread have that law? ManiacJoe Aug 2013 #80

Alcohol and guns are a toxic mix obama2terms Aug 2013 #17

They have allowed guns in bars here in Tenn. for over 4 years Go Vols Aug 2013 #56

No, they tend to shoot people in the parking lot. Robb Aug 2013 #58

Yep,not in a bar Go Vols Aug 2013 #61

And nothing about concealed carry, either. X_Digger Aug 2013 #64

Harry Ray Coleman held a concealed carry permit. Robb Aug 2013 #66

Funny, the article you posted doesn't seem to support that.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #67

He's one of the convicted CCW murderers at the link in my signature line. Robb Aug 2013 #68

Thanks for actual relevant info. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #69

It's still a stupid idea obama2terms Aug 2013 #105

I think this goes on Go Vols Aug 2013 #107

That it does obama2terms Aug 2013 #130

you can't drink if CCin. ileus Aug 2013 #19

Or TX. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #23

Or AZ. tumtum Aug 2013 #31

Or FL. spin Aug 2013 #34

Or in GA aikoaiko Aug 2013 #57

Guns are allowed in bars in Georgia, but from the law I have read, RebelOne Aug 2013 #62

If it's concealed, who the hell would know? AlinPA Aug 2013 #75

Like most other laws on the books, it wouldn't be enforced truebluegreen Aug 2013 #129

Here's what's funny; DAngelo136 Aug 2013 #33

How many times does this have to be said? tumtum Aug 2013 #36

In all states? AlinPA Aug 2013 #91

I every state I am aware of Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #94

Shh. Stereotypes, narratives & doctrine are being manufactured. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #133

Carrying in a bar or restaurant doesn't require drinking in that bar. aikoaiko Aug 2013 #53

Odd how some don't seem to grasp that fact. ileus Aug 2013 #81

The voice of experience versus those who have a pathological need to force themselves on others. freshwest Aug 2013 #63

I'll drink to this man Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #70

With a Texas CCL you cannot drink and carry. rl6214 Aug 2013 #71

OMG COMMON SENSE Skittles Aug 2013 #76

A pleasant non insulting attitude, something you seriously lack. n/t oneshooter Aug 2013 #148

see,that's what cracks me up Skittles Aug 2013 #152

Then tell me what personal insults have been posted from the pro gun side. oneshooter Aug 2013 #174

It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun. etherealtruth Aug 2013 #78

Umm it is Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #93

How fun etherealtruth Aug 2013 #95

Well no Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #99

In every state that I know of, that IS the law. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #142

I cut and pasted a line from the article in agreement etherealtruth Aug 2013 #144

So let me get this straight Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #79

"Only a fool would think the sign changes anything." rdharma Aug 2013 #103

Geeze, my own e stalker Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #114

Are we talking about the "effectiveness" of the sign. rdharma Aug 2013 #120

if I was carrying concealed Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #110

The right to life must be the #1 priority malaise Aug 2013 #85

Commie bastard probably doesn't allow smoking either! What fun is a firearm without brewens Aug 2013 #90

and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun cui bono Aug 2013 #108

There you go, someone using common sense for a change. B Calm Aug 2013 #112

I don't understand the usefulness of CCWs, now don't get me wrong... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #113

"It is illegal to drink and drive, and it should be illegal to drink and carry a gun." CrispyQ Aug 2013 #116

Already is illegal in all states that I know of. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #143

Like most yahoos who walk into a bar aren't going to drink. Be real. Hoyt Aug 2013 #151

Perhaps *you* can't walk into a restaurant without drinking; some of us have more self-control. X_Digger Aug 2013 #154

Most will, but the designated driver won't. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #155

I have no problem walking into a bar carrying concealed and not drinking. tumtum Aug 2013 #159

glad heaven05 Aug 2013 #117

plus, guns are hard to cook properly. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #126

Not if you use a pressure cooker. tumtum Aug 2013 #134

Here in Texas one sees this sign quite a bit: GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #156

You forgot to use the "room full of easy targets" 2A quip...eom Kolesar Aug 2013 #176