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124. I do not believe they collect all information on everyone.

Reply to disidoro01 (Reply #111)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 04:05 PM

Aug 2013

I have seen no evidence to convince me of that.

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3 Shocking Revelations from NSA's Most Terrifying Program Yet [View all] xchrom Aug 2013 OP

More scare-mongering to sell eyeballs. randome Aug 2013 #1

That's just not true ^^ bl968 Aug 2013 #4

+1000 nenagh Aug 2013 #9

I totally agree newfie11 Aug 2013 #16

What shows that they are "gathering every communication they can get their fingers on both foreign" randome Aug 2013 #24

All information to date! Obstinate denial will not make the facts go away,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #41

Instead of railing at me, why not point me to evidence... randome Aug 2013 #45

I merely point out that logic and reason, coupled with an even cursory look at history,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #63

What 'big gun'? Every LE agency can abuse their authority. randome Aug 2013 #69

That is my point, why would we want to wait until there is evidence, get rid of the gun! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #74

They used against Verizon customers, like me. I have spoken to Verizon who are trying to deny sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #143

It's not just Verizon GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #144

I know, but radome implied there was no proof of these allegations. We have verification from sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #147

Oh, gotcha GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #149

Every single business on Earth will likely comply with a legal warrant. randome Aug 2013 #160

And where was the warrant for them to stalk me and my phone, internet and email habits? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #170

Crickets... JEB Aug 2013 #174

Business records are not your property. You already know that. randome Aug 2013 #179

Michelle Bachman is not a person I would be quoting around here, in fact anywhere. That sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #181

I asked you and I asked Verizon, 'where is this warrant'? You need to talk to them, they deny sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #182

.... questionseverything Aug 2013 #184

Your premise is that we minions COULD have the evidence needed to prove the lie peacebird Aug 2013 #177

current admin questionseverything Aug 2013 #185

Because you would stand on top of the mountain of evidence and scan the horizon looking for proof. RC Aug 2013 #77

So point. randome Aug 2013 #86

ok mrdmk Aug 2013 #136

Why do pointers always point to their crotch? I've never understood that. randome Aug 2013 #138

Because they watch too many hip hop videos? awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #163

more? bl968 Aug 2013 #51

One is a legal warrant. And metadata records are not 'all communications'. randome Aug 2013 #56

Once upon a time, in a place far, far away... RC Aug 2013 #81

I am pushing no one's 'line'. randome Aug 2013 #87

All you need to do is look down at your feet. The evidence is all around you. RC Aug 2013 #93

You should pick one side of your mouth to talk out of. reusrename Aug 2013 #132

You should comprehend better... ConservativeDemocrat Aug 2013 #154

As you have been told many times now, no one is making that claim. reusrename Aug 2013 #157

It's legal to have the metadata. Why is that so hard to understand? randome Aug 2013 #161

Everything except lying to Congress is considered legal by secret courts. reusrename Aug 2013 #172

Yes you are. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #168

Please become aware that truedelphi Aug 2013 #119

His purpose is to "catapult the propaganda" rusty fender Aug 2013 #125

true dat,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #152

Recommend Read of "bl968" KoKo Aug 2013 #55

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #71

not true ? kardonb Aug 2013 #166

Which "you people" are you referring to? cyberswede Aug 2013 #195

"is to be used" does not mean "only used" Pholus Aug 2013 #7

Foreign communications are not subject to our Constitution. randome Aug 2013 #25

So you agree that domestic communications are then. Pholus Aug 2013 #31

If you tap a suspect's phone, you can't 'unhear' the person on the other end. randome Aug 2013 #32

Yes and the corporate-military petrodollar-right does not think global warming is happening,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #42

More Denials To Deflect From The Truth cantbeserious Aug 2013 #18

No denials. Questions and postions. Engage if you wish. I can be convinced of anything. randome Aug 2013 #26

randome masoncharest Aug 2013 #186

Yep. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #72

Randome deflections, randome confusion, hueymahl Aug 2013 #34

It's pronounced 'RAN-doh-may'. For future reference. randome Aug 2013 #44

RAN-doh-may pronunciation nt wtmusic Aug 2013 #96

"The security state�s defenders won�t stop lying." Tell me about it! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #38

They are prohibited from using such software on American citizens' data. randome Aug 2013 #43

How about this... bl968 Aug 2013 #46

Plenty of DU telecommunications experts have pointed out this is nothing. randome Aug 2013 #65

Reality disagrees with you LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #49

Software that is used to parse through enormous volumes of foreign communications data. randome Aug 2013 #61

Randome disidoro01 Aug 2013 #101

I do understand that. randome Aug 2013 #105

You don't know? disidoro01 Aug 2013 #106

I don't know the procedures they have in place. I have no idea. randome Aug 2013 #108

Good grief disidoro01 Aug 2013 #111

I do not believe they collect all information on everyone. randome Aug 2013 #124

Evidence? Civilization2 Aug 2013 #153

Engineering drawings, photographs, doctoral thesis, none of that is evidence. reusrename Aug 2013 #158

lol, there are prohibitions of pot smoking, so no one has ever smoked pot? Civilization2 Aug 2013 #50

What 'crushing'? Police battling Occupiers in public parks? randome Aug 2013 #67

There is a long history of CRUSHING dissent in the good ol' US of A,. look into it, I suggest; Civilization2 Aug 2013 #73

NSA does more than hunt for terrorists. randome Aug 2013 #75

Yea, like the US having the A-bomb would be big plus for so many things nolabels Aug 2013 #76

Focus on the OP, please. randome Aug 2013 #89

Not that checks and balance happens but at least it is out in the open nolabels Aug 2013 #118

That's why I think the best thing to come out of the Snowden Affair... randome Aug 2013 #127

With all the phone calls and E-mails, going in and out of the country and Internet RC Aug 2013 #90

A 'known fact', huh? Kindly point me to this fact. And I don't mean another vague fear or allegation randome Aug 2013 #94

Why? You keep ignoring the evidence. RC Aug 2013 #98

Oh, and you may want to look at this LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #57

Right. Evidence that oversight works is evidence that oversight does not work? randome Aug 2013 #62

I fucking give up LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #79

When did you get the idea that all LE agencies operate perfectly? randome Aug 2013 #91

This is how it gets attention. By definition, nothing you can say will be good enough for Randome DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #169

The naivete, she hurts. WinkyDink Aug 2013 #80

We need to see evidence that they are not illegally spying. That's a reasonable request since THEY rhett o rick Aug 2013 #116

I have no idea what Wyden means when he says that. We should know. randome Aug 2013 #128

NSA walks into a bar... KurtNYC Aug 2013 #126

good one,. when they look at everyone as the potential enemy all is possible,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #155

What makes you think this is prohibited? reusrename Aug 2013 #175

+1 LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #47

I wish I could recommend this post 100,000 times!!! Major Hogwash Aug 2013 #68

The stupid, it is strong with you Cronus Protagonist Aug 2013 #70

It's easy to us prove wrong. Go on Google and do a seach for "B omb" "Te rr orist" Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #88

Probably not a good idea to do at work. Actually, DU is not a good idea at work. randome Aug 2013 #95

Yes it is that simple. Go do it. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #97

Yeah, about those stories... randome Aug 2013 #176

At this point maybe. Katashi_itto Aug 2013 #183

Are you really that naive? Bake Aug 2013 #107

Hell, no, you don't trust them! randome Aug 2013 #139

Please post something that proves your opinion. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #141

Nothing prevents LE agencies from abusing their authority. Nothing. randome Aug 2013 #159

Incorrect Lonr Aug 2013 #164

Text of the 4th Amendment Lonr Aug 2013 #165

How many times does this need to be pointed out? randome Aug 2013 #173

EVIDENCE!!1111 SLOBBER!!11! morningfog Aug 2013 #178

K&R for DNI Presenter Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #2

Slide 15: anyone who uses strong encryption = suspect. joshcryer Aug 2013 #3

Correction -- even *more* of a suspect. Pholus Aug 2013 #5

True, true. joshcryer Aug 2013 #6

What we've seen is sufficient.... Pholus Aug 2013 #8

Possibly show how they captured someone. joshcryer Aug 2013 #10

It's cyberwar! Pholus Aug 2013 #12

Indeed it is. joshcryer Aug 2013 #13

"The security state�s defenders won�t stop lying." chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #11

Snowden cries wolf again. nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #14

Are you saying the slides are made up? joshcryer Aug 2013 #15

The power point slides are real, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #17

Deniers Cry Because The Truth Hurts cantbeserious Aug 2013 #19

Snowden cries wolf again and nobody comes. nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #20

Deniers Deny Because That's All That Can Be Done cantbeserious Aug 2013 #21

Not believing an airport dweller is not denial, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #22

Denial Is Irrational cantbeserious Aug 2013 #27

"an airport dweller"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #99

He's been promoted to Moscow Eddie Progressive dog Aug 2013 #100

In which DU user "Progressive dog"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #104

Snowden's employment history: US Special Forces (2004) KurtNYC Aug 2013 #137

No longer airport dweller, he moved to Moscow itself Progressive dog Aug 2013 #140

Sen Wyden says that Snowden is revealing what he, Wyden could not. Do you think Sen Wyden is lying? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #117

I tried to keep my post short and simple Progressive dog Aug 2013 #120

Do you think that Sen Wyden is a conspiracy theorist? Do you think he is lying when he says that rhett o rick Aug 2013 #123

I believe that the President is telling the truth, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #130

Are Wyden and Conyers lying? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #191

It's a shame Turbineguy Aug 2013 #23

You think he was sending emails? djean111 Aug 2013 #29

Does anyone seriously believe that internet "privacy" ever existed in the first place? Orrex Aug 2013 #28

Compared to what it was when it became a public venue to today? westerebus Aug 2013 #48

What's my phone number? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #82

Maybe not. But I sure as hell never expected the post office to go matthews Aug 2013 #92

What is missing in this discussion is the idea that they collect everything in ADVANCE, not after on point Aug 2013 #30

Exactly! It is no different than what the FBI used to do . . . hueymahl Aug 2013 #37

Bingo! nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #39

Except they don't call it *collected* until they need it lol Catherina Aug 2013 #58

Yes I've been saying this since the story broke bobduca Aug 2013 #59

What is also missing in this discussion is how the Republicans abuse this capability to spy on Dems Coyotl Aug 2013 #66

Memory Hole: Republican Staffers Hacked Congressional Servers. mrdmk Aug 2013 #145

Hateful scaremongering intaglio Aug 2013 #33

thank you - even the fact there is such encryption software treestar Aug 2013 #36

LOL LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #54

This from a person who on the evidence of a previous thread intaglio Aug 2013 #109

I wasn't the one trying to make the case on that thread LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #112

this nauseating post contains nothing but false hoods usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #83

and true intaglio Aug 2013 #110

Sadly, they are DU's very own "Limbaugh Brigade" maxrandb Aug 2013 #85

"conspiracy nuts" and "haters of the administration"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #102

This "conversation" was degraded by a false and misleading misleading OP intaglio Aug 2013 #113

Okay, so your primary concern seems to be... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #114

No, my primary concerns are the falsehoods being peddled by these scammers intaglio Aug 2013 #115

What a prevaricating paragraph! Pholus Aug 2013 #103

OK, have someone take it to court intaglio Aug 2013 #133

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. westerebus Aug 2013 #151

Facile, and something the Lords Resistance Army would applaud. intaglio Aug 2013 #187

I was thinking George Washington. westerebus Aug 2013 #189

Begin and his associates were terrorists intaglio Aug 2013 #190

Seems I've hit a nerve. westerebus Aug 2013 #192

No, not a nerve, just laughter at your ignorance of history intaglio Aug 2013 #193

but your (my) conclusions are correct. westerebus Aug 2013 #194

I think you do overlook the 9th Amendment here. Pholus Aug 2013 #167

"The outrage is long past due". That is the point and demonstrates this whole argument Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #180

Problem with 9A is surely its generality intaglio Aug 2013 #188

Are you afraid that these revelations will shake your trust in the government? rhett o rick Aug 2013 #122

No one is terrified treestar Aug 2013 #35

"The security state�s defenders won�t stop lying" even here on DU MNBrewer Aug 2013 #40

thanks for posting this warrprayer Aug 2013 #52

Boils down to this: Democracy or Tyranny. Octafish Aug 2013 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Aug 2013 #60

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #64

MULTI-millions of us ought to declare one day "E-mail Nothing But 'F*** YOU!' Day." WinkyDink Aug 2013 #78

Trust our government ..LMFAO ..only it's not funny anymore. They lied us into a war. End of story? L0oniX Aug 2013 #84

+ 1. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #121

One slight quibble dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #134

Not one defender of these surveillance programs felix_numinous Aug 2013 #129

My spouse and I were watching the excellent movie truedelphi Aug 2013 #131

Very excellent documentary. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #142

Yep, and I thought that the woman Scandinavian Cinematographer was truedelphi Aug 2013 #146

I agree. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #148

"There is no judicial process to push back." GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #135

They buried the lede: DeSwiss Aug 2013 #150

"XKeyscore is to be used on foreign suspects only. " Maedhros Aug 2013 #156

knr Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #162

Symbols like crosshairs from Palin�s campaign graphics are a dead giveaway polynomial Aug 2013 #171