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GiaGiovanni

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85. Excellent post!

Reply to Pholus (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 08:25 PM

Aug 2013

I wonder how many actually read the whole thing.

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My Life in Circles: Why Metadata is Incredibly Intimate [View all] HiPointDem Jul 2013 OP

Couldn't they find all that just by reading your Facebook? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #1

i don't have a facebook, or a twitter, or a reddit, or any of it. but i have email. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #5

Of course not. The NSA does an analysis of our social networks. reusrename Jul 2013 #15

5th Rec, and kick Hekate Jul 2013 #2

knr cui bono Jul 2013 #3

So "A tool developed by MIT Media Lab proves ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #4

Do you think they don't use toilet paper if they don't tell you they do? Pholus Jul 2013 #12

You missed my point by light-years Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #73

Oh FFS LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #40

Who said they didn't have the necessary funds? Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #72

How would Dianne Feinstein respond to a FOiA request for Downwinder Jul 2013 #6

good question & i think we know the answer already. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #7

Absolutely correct. A lot of this information is available if you pay for it. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #8

And think of what can be profiled from our DU Posts, KOS Posts KoKo Jul 2013 #46

Seriously, you need to get a sense of proportion intaglio Jul 2013 #9

"f studied in bulk". 'in bulk' is the only way it comes. metadata is precisely the patterns formed HiPointDem Jul 2013 #10

Both paranoia and ignorance are what you are demonstrating intaglio Jul 2013 #14

so what? my neighbors are not the US government or global corporations. i don't care if my HiPointDem Jul 2013 #19

So at one point it is spying on you intaglio Jul 2013 #26

i expect my neighbors to notice what i do. i notice what they do. BECAUSE WE'RE NEIGHBORS. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #27

No, you refuse to see how short sighted your ideas are intaglio Jul 2013 #35

but they don't. because if my neighbors read my mail, thye'd be arrested. unlike the government HiPointDem Jul 2013 #61

The envelope can be read but not the content intaglio Jul 2013 #62

if my neighbors took anything out of my mailbox, even just to look at the outside, they are HiPointDem Jul 2013 #63

I specifically excluded that posibility intaglio Jul 2013 #66

so now the spying applies only to letters which fell out of the mailsack? ridiculous comparisons HiPointDem Jul 2013 #68

No I did not say that intaglio Jul 2013 #69

1. Your comparison of nsa to someone's neighbors or 'community' is ridiculous from the get-go. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #74

'Some of those computers and servers will be government owned or controlled' sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #97

What a truly awful comparison. EOTE Jul 2013 #28

No, but it is perfectly normal for government employees intaglio Jul 2013 #37

Normal according to whom? EOTE Jul 2013 #42

According to everyday history and experience intaglio Jul 2013 #49

Your knowledge of what is normal is almost as lacking as your knowledge of Godwin. EOTE Jul 2013 #50

USPS employees can read the envelopes intaglio Jul 2013 #53

Read the OUTSIDE of the envelopes? EOTE Jul 2013 #55

Mail carriers can read what's on the envelopes? Quantess Aug 2013 #80

And apparently that means it's just fine for the government to spy on us. EOTE Aug 2013 #81

I saw a very poor analogy just the other day. Quantess Aug 2013 #82

And that, approximately, is what this metadata is intaglio Aug 2013 #86

You are laughably bad at making these analogies. EOTE Aug 2013 #89

It is the very mechanism of the internet that requires this data be examined intaglio Aug 2013 #90

It's already being examined, by computers as a part of your ISP. EOTE Aug 2013 #91

For the umpteenth time intaglio Aug 2013 #92

Like a dog trying to explain the concept of fetch. EOTE Aug 2013 #93

Well you have not displayed your awareness intaglio Aug 2013 #95

It is the collecting and analyzing of that data which is unconstitutional AND immoral EOTE Aug 2013 #96

But USPS employees don't have data massaging software in their heads GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #84

Which is why the NSA came up with this fix intaglio Aug 2013 #87

Why what? GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #99

But not to keep permanent copies of both sides of the envelope GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #83

You are trying to dismiss the government programs by LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #41

No I am pointing out that privacy is not what it appears intaglio Jul 2013 #51

Run off with the wrong idea? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #52

No I was responding to another post intaglio Jul 2013 #54

I give up LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #56

I'm asking you intaglio Jul 2013 #58

But I don't know, I thought you did LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #59

My point, which you continue to ignore is intaglio Jul 2013 #64

Damn neighbors! LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #65

Ok, avoid discussion and good luck with any business careet you might have. n/t intaglio Jul 2013 #67

You're not going to tell me the answer? LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #70

Businesses are not the same as the government. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #11

No they're worse. intaglio Jul 2013 #17

+1 Bazillion Egnever Aug 2013 #88

Strangely, your "Bombes" were directed at an actual enemy. Pholus Jul 2013 #13

They handled data in a vast number of combinations intaglio Jul 2013 #16

blanket whining that "the gub'mint is spying on me myself alone" = please show me where HiPointDem Jul 2013 #20

As demonstrated above it is not spying n/t intaglio Jul 2013 #23

you didn't demonstrate any such thing. you made a bunch of absurd comparisons. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #24

The comparisons are only absurd because you refuse to live in the present intaglio Jul 2013 #32

You are leaving out the obvious: JimDandy Aug 2013 #77

No, they are not a series of tubes intaglio Aug 2013 #79

I can tell you that the internet is closer to a series of tubes than it is to whatever EOTE Aug 2013 #94

Your desire to protect and serve is admirable Pholus Jul 2013 #21

Number plate recognition intaglio Jul 2013 #31

Ethics: If you collect data, be honest about the reason. Pholus Jul 2013 #38

Recommend read.... KoKo Jul 2013 #47

Very true and, to me, the most disturbing part intaglio Jul 2013 #57

On that one, the disclosures from yesterday have at least one small plus... Pholus Aug 2013 #75

Excellent post! GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #85

Thanks for taking the time to post this. EOTE Aug 2013 #98

Good luck ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #34

K&R G_j Jul 2013 #18

du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #22

easy to tell which woman became my wife Electric Monk Jul 2013 #25

Next thing you know, the government will be keeping track jberryhill Jul 2013 #33

Yes, all that "harmless" information... Pholus Jul 2013 #39

How interesting that they told him the reason for the denial jberryhill Jul 2013 #43

ok then, what about your mistress? You seem to have missed my blatantly obvious point. nt Electric Monk Jul 2013 #60

There is nothing to be done about it Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #29

yes we are helpless before their mighty power, so we may as well submit HiPointDem Jul 2013 #30

Submit or don't. The end result is the same. Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Shivering Jemmy Jul 2013 #44

Really? Trying to flog this as much worse than it is? treestar Jul 2013 #36

K&R LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #48

K&R We are being profiled felix_numinous Jul 2013 #71

We knew this intuitively JimDandy Aug 2013 #76

K & R GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #78