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Kurska

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3. So respecting people's basic human right (by not doing anything) is imposing our values

Reply to randome (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 1, 2013, 09:38 PM

Aug 2013

But unilaterally stripping all people of privacy is... respecting their customs?

I'm going to be honest when I say that I'm really not getting your argument here.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Can you please show me the part where is says "Oh, but only if they are born in America"? It isn't illegal, but it sure as hell isn't standing up for our founding principles.

I really don't get how we can could call ourselves anything but evil if we are determined to hold the entire world in 1984 style internet surveillance for our safety.

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Even if we concede to the magical thinking that XKeyscore will never be used against an American... [View all] Kurska Aug 2013 OP

One argument might be that if you decide our Constitution and laws apply to everyone... randome Aug 2013 #1

So respecting people's basic human right (by not doing anything) is imposing our values Kurska Aug 2013 #3

Plenty of Islamic countries that don't believe in the same 'basic rights' we do. randome Aug 2013 #11

Woah, now you're starting to talk like one of those crazy peaceniks Kurska Aug 2013 #23

Despite what some on DU want to believe, I am not a supporter of American dominance. randome Aug 2013 #29

He's not arguing that the U.S. Constitution protects foreigners. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #6

Yes, that and it runs completely contray to the principles upon which our nation was founded. Kurska Aug 2013 #7

Um, they ARE doing it to us. Have you heard about China hacking our systems? randome Aug 2013 #10

I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between hackers Kurska Aug 2013 #13

I don't know if any other country attempts what we are doing. randome Aug 2013 #15

There has to be a way to secure the internet against this kind of abuse. Kurska Aug 2013 #17

I don't see that massive spying on foreign individuals is worth much effort on its own. randome Aug 2013 #20

Chinese hacking has been traced back to their military. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #19

Obviously, for any decent person, it's not OK cpwm17 Aug 2013 #2

I absolutely agree. Kurska Aug 2013 #4

Serious question Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #5

Perhaps our morals are different than yours. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2013 #8

I'm very curious what you mean by this. Kurska Aug 2013 #9

Foreign govts will already be doing this. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #12

Because authoritarian China wants to destroy world privacy, we need to do it first and quicker! Kurska Aug 2013 #14

Didn't really look at those slides, didja? Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #16

New Zealand is working with our program, no? That is why they are on our slides Kurska Aug 2013 #18

I deal in facts. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #21

I"m not even talking about PRISM, I'm talking about XKeyscore. Kurska Aug 2013 #22

Everything you do is already catalogued. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #25

So you're saying that because our human rights have already been curtailed Kurska Aug 2013 #26

No, not saying that. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #28

Don't you mean "has never"? Coyotl Aug 2013 #24

Our government should not be allowed to prevent we the people from being able to take it back... L0oniX Aug 2013 #27