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Benton D Struckcheon

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25. Everything you do is already catalogued.
Thu Aug 1, 2013, 10:50 PM
Aug 2013

This is the world you live in:

1 - Anything you do at work can be looked at by your employer. You have no privacy there.
2 - At home, everything you do goes over a network and the metadata is cataloged. Notice that the PRISM description I posted specifically notes that it can collect metadata. How is it that private companies can collect metadata using PRISM? Because the courts have repeatedly ruled that metadata collection is legal because you, dear Kurska, have no expectation of privacy when it comes to your metadata.
3 - So, any foreign govt can already very very easily collect all of this stuff without even breaking a sweat. As for XKeyscore, it looks to be just another level of detail far as getting more into the metadata. There's a lot of wild claims being made as to what it can do, but it's early; I'll wait a while and see what really shakes out as the truth about it. I see one poster getting into the issue of breaking into the encryption on VPNs, which would then allow actual content to be spied on as it passes over these private networks. Possible. Unlike you, I don't just assume that the USG is doing industrial espionage, so the purpose of this would be very different from what the Chinese would do with it. I do assume the Chinese are using any capability they may have developed in this direction for industrial espionage, as that was already proven before Obama was going to meet with them and ask them to stop, an effort that Snowden very conspicuously and very consciously, I'm quite sure, sabotaged. But you're not interested in that, are you? You're just interested in beating up on the US for what it's doing without regard for the FACT that the Chinese are doing far worse. Which seems to be SOP here on DU.

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One argument might be that if you decide our Constitution and laws apply to everyone... randome Aug 2013 #1
So respecting people's basic human right (by not doing anything) is imposing our values Kurska Aug 2013 #3
Plenty of Islamic countries that don't believe in the same 'basic rights' we do. randome Aug 2013 #11
Woah, now you're starting to talk like one of those crazy peaceniks Kurska Aug 2013 #23
Despite what some on DU want to believe, I am not a supporter of American dominance. randome Aug 2013 #29
He's not arguing that the U.S. Constitution protects foreigners. dairydog91 Aug 2013 #6
Yes, that and it runs completely contray to the principles upon which our nation was founded. Kurska Aug 2013 #7
Um, they ARE doing it to us. Have you heard about China hacking our systems? randome Aug 2013 #10
I'm pretty sure there is a big difference between hackers Kurska Aug 2013 #13
I don't know if any other country attempts what we are doing. randome Aug 2013 #15
There has to be a way to secure the internet against this kind of abuse. Kurska Aug 2013 #17
I don't see that massive spying on foreign individuals is worth much effort on its own. randome Aug 2013 #20
Chinese hacking has been traced back to their military. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #19
Obviously, for any decent person, it's not OK cpwm17 Aug 2013 #2
I absolutely agree. Kurska Aug 2013 #4
Serious question Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #5
Perhaps our morals are different than yours. n/t cpwm17 Aug 2013 #8
I'm very curious what you mean by this. Kurska Aug 2013 #9
Foreign govts will already be doing this. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #12
Because authoritarian China wants to destroy world privacy, we need to do it first and quicker! Kurska Aug 2013 #14
Didn't really look at those slides, didja? Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #16
New Zealand is working with our program, no? That is why they are on our slides Kurska Aug 2013 #18
I deal in facts. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #21
I"m not even talking about PRISM, I'm talking about XKeyscore. Kurska Aug 2013 #22
Everything you do is already catalogued. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #25
So you're saying that because our human rights have already been curtailed Kurska Aug 2013 #26
No, not saying that. Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #28
Don't you mean "has never"? Coyotl Aug 2013 #24
Our government should not be allowed to prevent we the people from being able to take it back... L0oniX Aug 2013 #27
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