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Maedhros

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137. It is disingenuous to suggest that Obama can do nothing to hinder Congress.

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 01:56 PM

Aug 2013

He's not a dictator, but he does have the power of the veto.

How many times has he used it? (from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes)

Regular Vetoes: 2
Pocket Vetoes: 0
Total Vetoes: 2
Vetoes Overridden: 0

Here are the two bills vetoed:

* December 30, 2009: Vetoed H.J.Res. 64, Making further continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2010, and for other purposes. Override attempt failed in House.[35]

* October 7, 2010: Vetoed H.R. 3808, the Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2010. Override attempt failed in House.[36]

By comparison Bill Clinton, who also faced a hostile Congress, vetoed 37 bills. George W. Bush, with a lapdog Congress, still vetoed 11 bills.

Laying blame for the bad legislation of the last 5 years solely on the shoulders of the Republican Congress just doesn't pass the sniff test.

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