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Showing Original Post only (View all)Archaeologists believe they've found cross of Jesus of Nazareth [View all]
Last edited Fri Aug 2, 2013, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)
Edit: In my naivety, I actually saw this as a post about archaeology rather than religion. I clearly had no concept of the intensity of faith of so many members. If this were a thread about an excavation of a relic related to an Incan figure, say Tupac Amaru I, would there be such anger? The existence of a man called Jesus of Nazareth does not mean you have to be a Christian. That historians believe he existed does not mean you have to be a Christian. Muslims and Jews acknowledge Jesus as a prophet, but they don't see him as divine.
Archaeologists working at an ancient church in Turkey think they've unearthed a piece of the world's most famous cross, the one used to crucify Jesus.
They found a stone chest during excavation at a 1,350-year-old church, and the chest had a number of relics inside believed to be associated with the crucifixion, a historian at Turkey's Mimar Sinan University of Fine Arts tells the Hurriyet Daily News.
"We have found a holy thing in a chest," she says. "It is a piece of a cross," and they think it's from the cross.
The entire chest is now undergoing lab tests, reports NBC News. Researchers aren't sure who owned the chest, but it was probably a religious person of some importance, and that person apparently believed the cross relic was the real deal.
They found a stone chest during excavation at a 1,350-year-old church, and the chest had a number of relics inside believed to be associated with the crucifixion, a historian at Turkey's Mimar Sinan University of Fine Arts tells the Hurriyet Daily News.
"We have found a holy thing in a chest," she says. "It is a piece of a cross," and they think it's from the cross.
The entire chest is now undergoing lab tests, reports NBC News. Researchers aren't sure who owned the chest, but it was probably a religious person of some importance, and that person apparently believed the cross relic was the real deal.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/02/newser-jesus-cross-archaeologists/2611357/
Video from NBC: http://www.today.com/video/today/52651272#52651272
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widespread scholarly agreement from biblical scholars- who study "bible history"
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#125
History- and Science- as conveyed by the Bible are inherently suspect.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#134
If ALL the evidence is coming from Christianity, which incorporated this narrative into its
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#183
Josephus is invariably referenced because it's the ONLY one. And considered suspect.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#193
The bible is not a historical document. It contains some real history mixed up
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#182
Virtually all serious historical scholars of that era agree that a historical Jesus existed.
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#133
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that a historical Jesus existed"
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#132
That article said the author of the book was inventing aspects of the man,
WilliamPitt
Aug 2013
#111
What historians 'agree'? What evidence do they agree upon to prove Jesus existed?
sinkingfeeling
Aug 2013
#34
I asked about his contempoaries writings. You said his Apostles were his contemporaries
notadmblnd
Aug 2013
#181
Really? First one listed is a bunch of essays about using the Gospels, language,
sinkingfeeling
Aug 2013
#48
You aren't. There is however, a veritable mountain range of evidence created by and for
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#75
(crickets chirping) - There IS none. What they have has been found not reliable or accurate.
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#54
There is no legitimate, verifiable evidence that Jesus existed. There is one
kestrel91316
Aug 2013
#53
I have seen no provable evidence that Jesus existed. However, I think that there was a charismatic,
Arkansas Granny
Aug 2013
#103
In the same way as putting "bloggers" in the same sentence with "journalists"?
cherokeeprogressive
Aug 2013
#172
Reza Aslan just stated recently, Romans reserved crucifixion for traitors and rebels
Brother Buzz
Aug 2013
#140
Wow.. and I've seen the rock that Mary rested on during her trip to Bethelem!
JustFiveMoreMinutes
Aug 2013
#33
The same ditwits who go off climbing Mt Ararat to "prove" Noah's Ark is up there.
Archae
Aug 2013
#50
It's not surprising to hear that people who follow a religion would believe this bunk.
Walk away
Aug 2013
#59
I hope it is the real thing. It would be a blessing if it was the real cross.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#61
If it were a part of the true cross we would have something of our faith to touch with human hands.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#79
Wouldn't that rather be like someone in the Kennedy fmaily snuggling up to a rifle though?
truebrit71
Aug 2013
#80
No! Remember we believe Jesus was raised and by his death on the cross we believe we are redeemed.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#82
Personally I don't think he would mind because I believe he is in heaven. But I can not speak for
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#86
the concept of martyrdom is key to the faith...... without it, people wouldn't allow others
bettyellen
Aug 2013
#137
the old saying goes 'there have been enough pieces of the 'True Cross' sold to build Noah's Ark and
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#78
It can't be found, just like the "proof" that he existed at all...that's my point...
truebrit71
Aug 2013
#96
This has to be one of the worst examples of journalism (and archaeology).
Behind the Aegis
Aug 2013
#69
You would be hard pressed to find non "Biblical" historians who agree that Jesus objectively existed
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#121
...or THE Holy Colander used to strain the Flying Spaghetti Monster! n/t
backscatter712
Aug 2013
#179
There's no evidence outside the gospels. And there were several similar mystery cults at the time.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2013
#152
Fundamentalist creationists don't believe in carbon dating, so won't convince them. Oh, wait-
AlinPA
Aug 2013
#151
Helen, mother of Constantine, claimed to have found the cross in the 4th Century
Sanity Claws
Aug 2013
#177
First, we have to establish if there's any wood involved at all, or just stone
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#202
Yes, that's my point - the first report is just a stone with a cross on it
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#204