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ceonupe

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41. France also does not have entire industries

Fri Aug 2, 2013, 05:04 PM

Aug 2013

Built around our for profit health care system.

Our universities , hospitals and education system is heavily influenced by our for profit health care system.

There are so many entrenched intrests I don't see it ever changing in the USA.

Follow the money and I'm not just talking about what u pay to the doctor but also what u pay for medical school, undergrad, for profit colleges for the mid level providers and assistants/clerks.

There is so much money it's crazy.

I work in health care IT. Ill tell u this much it's not the single providers or even the 2 provider shops making tons of money. The owner groups of the large practices however wow they make serious bank. Because they have the efficiency and scale to maximize everything. So they are way more profitable than the small shops.

Maybe we should look at ways the government can help bring that scale and effiecency to all and maybe reduce cost

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Congress to get Obamacare exemption [View all] abelenkpe Aug 2013 OP

not really. they'll get part of their premiums paid by their employer which happens cali Aug 2013 #1

THAT MAKES ME ANGRY!!!111!! Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #28

Well isn't that special! snappyturtle Aug 2013 #2

This is nothing new. The government has been paying this all along, just in a different form. nt pnwmom Aug 2013 #43

I'm sorry but I think it is different. From the article: snappyturtle Aug 2013 #47

That's what I'm saying! They have been getting subsidies, pnwmom Aug 2013 #48

MY point was that it was 'special' that the WH altered ACA to do that!!! snappyturtle Aug 2013 #49

Otherwise they would have been penalized personally for voting for the ACA. pnwmom Aug 2013 #51

No they wouldn't have been penalized. They would have had to snappyturtle Aug 2013 #61

They would have been penalized compared to what THEY were getting before. pnwmom Aug 2013 #62

Yeah, heaven forbid they have same Faux pas Aug 2013 #3

Hey ACA fans...defend this. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #4

So many times when things aren't as they seem we see this madokie Aug 2013 #8

Then when it is fact...*crickets* Safetykitten Aug 2013 #13

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #18

I'm not an ACA fan and I have no problem defending this. see post 1. cali Aug 2013 #14

Military personnel aren't going to be forced into ACA either. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #16

why? ACA should be applied to those fuckers snooper2 Aug 2013 #21

this is a big fat stupid lie, but congrats on buying into it without researching cali Aug 2013 #22

I just got done reading your thread...but thanks for jumping my ass snooper2 Aug 2013 #24

I apologize. I shouldn't have jumped your ass as you put it cali Aug 2013 #25

And now it's PERFECT! kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #5

except that is a fucking stupid cheapass shit lie. cali Aug 2013 #29

Permanent Political Class = American Royalty leftstreet Aug 2013 #6

Why yes, it is now. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #7

As George Carlin said: Cyrano Aug 2013 #9

It's a lie. cali Aug 2013 #30

as George Carlin didn't say "It's a big lie" hfojvt Aug 2013 #38

I'd LOL, but hypocrisy in government bothers me. Octafish Aug 2013 #10

It will exempt them from the outrageous cost the rest of us will shouder. The Affordable Care Act is NM_Birder Aug 2013 #11

Guess Congress really doesn't care about the deficit if they want an exemption. sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #12

Does seem to go against the message of shared sacrifice abelenkpe Aug 2013 #17

Or the poor will get 2M less or it will come directly from the food stamp budget. Auntie Bush Aug 2013 #55

We need re-write in ACA spin control! We meant to do that! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #15

W. T. F. ....?!? alittlelark Aug 2013 #19

Cause it's for the peasants ya know newfie11 Aug 2013 #20

Congratulations folks on buying into a big fat fucking stupid lie! cali Aug 2013 #23

Ah, please don't blame the victims usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #34

More kneejerk outrage ... based on a RW lie. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #26

I don't think it's really based on a right wing lie cali Aug 2013 #27

Before the passage of the ACA, the RW screamed that Congress would be "exempt". JoePhilly Aug 2013 #32

For all of the non belivers, here is a story yoi can believe in Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #31

France also does not have entire industries ceonupe Aug 2013 #41

I have thought for years if the money paid for health care would actually go to the health care it Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #42

Perhaps I'm missing something? Control-Z Aug 2013 #33

Actually, employers will be penalized for expensive plans leftstreet Aug 2013 #37

Old recycled false claims that's been made since 2010 BklnDem75 Aug 2013 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author L0oniX Aug 2013 #36

congress/white house/cabinet should get NO health care plan paid by taxpayers nt msongs Aug 2013 #39

Agree...until every American gets it. AlinPA Aug 2013 #46

But it's okay to force Americans struggling with poverty wages to pay additional premiums. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #40

Americans with poverty wages will be able to move into expanded Medicaid programs pnwmom Aug 2013 #53

Think about this another way. This helps to make all the members of Congress pnwmom Aug 2013 #44

Members of congress and their staff should get no government paid premiums until everyone AlinPA Aug 2013 #45

That sure makes for a nice soundbite. Not so good as public policy. tritsofme Aug 2013 #50

I believe that the public would approve of that policy. AlinPA Aug 2013 #56

Does that make it a smart policy? Lots of people believe lots of stupid things. tritsofme Aug 2013 #58

You are right; people do believe a lot of stupid things. Brain drain? There is a lot of money AlinPA Aug 2013 #60

These are federal employees, they ought to be treated tritsofme Aug 2013 #63

Reasonable because, elleng Aug 2013 #52

It still bothers me that congress and their staff get those Health benefits. They don't work for us AlinPA Aug 2013 #54

Yes but they also pay for the benefits. elleng Aug 2013 #57

I am limiting my statement to congress and their staff. They should get no taxpayer paid AlinPA Aug 2013 #59