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DirkGently

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45. Exactly. This is why the blase attitude about the burgeoning "anti-

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 03:03 PM

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terrorism" industry is such a problem. It's not about keeping Al Quaida in line. There simply are not enough international "bad guys" to support all of the money and all of the power being accumulated.

This stuff is to keep US in line. Those who would complain. Those who make noise. Those who would see applecarts upset and vested interests disturbed.

Thus the big push for new categories of non-persons. Undocumented immigrants. "enemy combatants." "Occupiers." "Traitors." Categories of people upon whom the very big hammers can be dropped. Drug laws are one way to get there. All the "Patriot Act" nonsense is another. Misuse of the Espionage Act is another.

Because Constitutional constraints and civil rights and open discourse don't always get the right results for the "right" people. Big guns and long prison sentences tend to cut conversation and contentious activity short.

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Overkill: Armed Agents Raid Wisconsin Animal Shelter; Kill Baby Deer Named Giggles "It was like SWAT [View all] midnight Aug 2013 OP

Sadistic bastards newfie11 Aug 2013 #1

Crap like this is so over the top it's beyond words to describe ... of course, they RKP5637 Aug 2013 #2

Why didn't they communicate with these workers and find out that this animal was going to be put in midnight Aug 2013 #7

To me, they were authoritarians with guns and legalized power coming RKP5637 Aug 2013 #24

WTF!?!? PD Turk Aug 2013 #3

Shortly ---they will surface warrant46 Aug 2013 #5

killers Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #4

They have to do SOMETHING to justify all the quasi-military equipment truebluegreen Aug 2013 #6

^ This. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #53

A 'baby fawn'? Jenoch Aug 2013 #8

Yes, it was totally the fault of the people who wanted to help. LisaLynne Aug 2013 #9

The fawn was rescued due to the Jenoch Aug 2013 #12

and you know this because you were there? magical thyme Aug 2013 #15

I know this because I am familiar Jenoch Aug 2013 #18

Yeah so am I and you don't send in a swat team to kill bambi. Rex Aug 2013 #22

"U.S. Fish and Wildlife" for an 'abandoned' fawn? Jenoch Aug 2013 #23

Why not they do it all the time. Rex Aug 2013 #32

Are you calling me ignorant? Jenoch Aug 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Aug 2013 #46

I probably should Jenoch Aug 2013 #47

Well it won't make you any friends on the internets. Rex Aug 2013 #48

I have done a lot of Jenoch Aug 2013 #49

Same here and you are right Rex Aug 2013 #51

It should have been sent to a wildlife rehabber to be raised for release. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #54

I hink the problem Jenoch Aug 2013 #56

Yes, they really over reacted Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #58

No, it should not have been. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #62

The point is it did not take a tactical squad unit to dispatch the deer. Rex Aug 2013 #67

it's debateable as to what the appropriate level of response Crepuscular Aug 2013 #70

Not really, not since usually one person can handle that task. Rex Aug 2013 #84

One person would be an inappropriate number Crepuscular Aug 2013 #85

No wrong, usually it only takes one person. Rex Aug 2013 #86

I deal with CO's and wildlife biologists on a regular basis Crepuscular Aug 2013 #90

A wildlife rehabber would have raised the deer, monitored it's health, Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #72

Releasing a deer which Crepuscular Aug 2013 #80

No logic Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #88

No logic Crepuscular Aug 2013 #89

I am a wildlife rehabber and know the laws in my area inside and out Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #91

What state are you licensed in? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #92

Was the fawn known to have CWD? N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #93

There is no way to know Crepuscular Aug 2013 #94

Why would it be wrong to release into the same area it was found in? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #96

Because of the possibility Crepuscular Aug 2013 #100

if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved magical thyme Aug 2013 #10

Does do not 'abandon' their fawns. Jenoch Aug 2013 #13

maybe not, but they do sometimes get killed by accident. magical thyme Aug 2013 #14

If the doe was killed by a car, Jenoch Aug 2013 #17

No they do not but fawns do become orphans when something happens to the doe. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #55

highly unlikely Crepuscular Aug 2013 #59

well this deer didn't come from Wisconsin. The shelter is on the border. The deer was brought to the magical thyme Aug 2013 #60

The deer came from Illinois, correct? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #66

Yes. Furthermore, CWD spread outside of Wisconsin long ago. magical thyme Aug 2013 #68

You might want to study up on CWD. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #69

the shelter provided *temporary* shelter. Of course it wasn't planning to become a licensed deer magical thyme Aug 2013 #71

Don't need to thanks, Crepuscular Aug 2013 #79

the "out of date" CDC map is dated 2012 and makes clear that CDW originated in CO in 1960, magical thyme Aug 2013 #81

Yes, outdated Crepuscular Aug 2013 #82

Poster just wants to defend the DNR, which is silly Rex Aug 2013 #87

The Minnesota DNR Jenoch Aug 2013 #104

Yes, I realize that. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #108

Thanks for that information. Jenoch Aug 2013 #109

I don't know. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #110

Very unlikely the fawn was abandoned. The mother hides the fawn during the day. The fawn is well yellowcanine Aug 2013 #95

1. Irrevelent to the topic and 2. we don't know the details of why somebody thought she was magical thyme Aug 2013 #98

Your post said, " if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved" yellowcanine Aug 2013 #99

Last year we had a fawn hit by a car, who mostly likely was following her mother across the road magical thyme Aug 2013 #101

Yeah DNR was wrong but so were the people who "rescued" the fawn. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #103

this thread is about the DNR's actions magical thyme Aug 2013 #111

And my opinion is that the thread is about more than just DNR's actions. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #112

"Shut up, idiot." is almost not the proper response. flvegan Aug 2013 #11

The only response here that says Jenoch Aug 2013 #21

Wow, do you have any compassion or empathy at all? Dont answer, it's rhetorical. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #19

What is your experience with wildlife in general and Jenoch Aug 2013 #20

So in a case like this where people interfered we should let nature take it's course and shoot the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #30

I don't know Jenoch Aug 2013 #31

That is not true. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #57

Many no kill shelters are not really set up to hold deer. Rex Aug 2013 #61

she was scheduled for transport to a licensed wildlife rehab center the next day, and DNR knew it magical thyme Aug 2013 #74

So these guys just had a hard on to kill it? snooper2 Aug 2013 #97

I totally agree. it should have been sent to a wildlife rehab center. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #75

all of which is fucking IRRELEVENT to the fact that the fawn was to be transported to a licensed magical thyme Aug 2013 #64

Ah, it makes more sense now. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #73

Who called them? The NRA? Why bother? Something very wrong there. freshwest Aug 2013 #16

I agree... ACLU is doing a national investigation into these over the top uses of Swat responses... midnight Aug 2013 #77

Good, but I want to know who called. It was none of their business. freshwest Aug 2013 #78

Example #25,000,000 of why the militarization of law enforcement is an issue we need to deal with DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Aug 2013 #26

This kind of stuff scares the shit out of me. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #27

I am employed by a similar state agency. This kind of sick shit does not surprise me TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #28

Great! leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #29

Dispatching an assault team to deal with a fawn. We have a new definition of "cowardly." DirkGently Aug 2013 #34

My guess is there weren't there for the fawn but rather for what they deemed eco-terrorists HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #35

The "eco-terror" group "The Society of St. Francis?" That doesn't DirkGently Aug 2013 #36

I didn't see anything is -this- article, but there have been a handful of stories HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #38

Well I think that gets to part of the root problem -- DirkGently Aug 2013 #41

Keystone XL Activists Labeled Possible Eco-Terrorists in Internal TransCanada Documents HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #43

Exactly. This is why the blase attitude about the burgeoning "anti- DirkGently Aug 2013 #45

Yes they are cowards Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #106

Can anyone here think of any reason that LE is so anally anti-deer all the time? Doremus Aug 2013 #37

They don't care for dogs much either damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #40

Beat me to it. What's with all the dog murder? DirkGently Aug 2013 #42

the wisconsin dnr pulled their facbook page rdking647 Aug 2013 #39

I sent the warden an email magical thyme Aug 2013 #76

Fucking pigs... 99Forever Aug 2013 #44

I have always been VERY proud of my Wisconsin roots Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #50

As a person from North Carolina, I'd like to give you a great big hug of understanding. NCarolinawoman Aug 2013 #65

We're in the same boat for sure! Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #83

This is fucked up and sick. Period. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #52

Look no further than the wacko who heads the WDNR. Release The Hounds Aug 2013 #63

Stupid, meet Crazy. We'd like you to take orders from Mean. nt valerief Aug 2013 #102

Perfect. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #113

Way over-the-top action by WDNR. This could have been Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #105

If you're in Wisconsin, stop by the Wisconsin state fair and let the DNR know.... midnight Aug 2013 #107