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laserhaas

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Sat Aug 3, 2013, 05:21 PM Aug 2013

Please Sign Trayvon Martin Mother/Father Petition to Address Stand Your Ground Bad Faith Law? [View all]

Last edited Sun Aug 4, 2013, 09:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Reprinted from the Orange realm (cause - hey - I told myself I could).



It all began a little over a year ago. George Zimmerman, a wannabe Policeman, was stalking Trayvon Martin. After Zimmerman called 911 (transcript - HERE) and was instructed [informed he didn't need to do so] to wait for the arrival of the real Police. Instead George said [of Trayvon] "he looks black" and then "a dark hoodie" and "he's got his hand in his waistband and he's a black male". When Trayvon Martin ran away from the stalking George Zimmerman, GZ told 911 "these assholes always get away". Then George Zimmerman took it upon himself to chase after Trayvon Martin.

When the "stalked" Trayvon "Stood his Ground" - George Zimmerman shot/killed Trayvon!

- - A non black man followed a young black teen with a vehicle (alarm bells going off in parents all around the country, whose kids have vanished under similar scenarios). Then the "stalker" got out of his vehicle with a "Concealed Lethal Weapon" and pursued the fleeing teenager, where a confrontation began and ended with disastrous results.


At the time of the homicide transpiring, thereafter the Sanford police lied to Trayvon Martin's mother and told her the killer of her son, George Zimmerman, was "squeaky clean" and it was reported that George was Captain of the Neighborhood watch;

Both of those contentions were a lie!

A non white was killed by the son of a retired justice who was lighter skinned than the deceased. Everyone there in Sanford, with the authorities, except for Trayvon Martin's mother, wanted this to be the end of the story. Then a Petition was started by Trayvon Martin's mother. [T]hen at DailyKos registered users got involved when it was only 25,000 signatures (see prior Diary - HERE). We helped get it to 2 million and the Police Chief was forced out of office and a proper investigation/ prosecution case began. But the authorities, deliberately or not; blew the case and George Zimmerman is now 'Scot Free'.

Trayvon Martin's Mother is asking that we sign her new - -



The petition is now at 288,000 signatures -

LET's help get it as high as we possibly can - Please?
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A diametric result on gun violence - intolerable!

Over at the orange realm (DK) - I also added to the discussion that another Florida discharged weapon case was that of non-Caucasian Marissa Alexander get 20 years, for shooting a wall.

Granted there is much debate about the fact she went to the car to get the gun, so it is NOT a stand your ground issue. That's the point. George Zimmerman was not a stand your ground issue.

Black Marissa Alexander shot a wall and got 20 years.

Trayvon Martin, a black you was "pursued" by a non-black carrying a concealed weapon, who then killed him

and isn't going to do a day for it!

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Also added a POLL (that I'm unable to afford to do here) - asking

whether or not

one believes there is racial inequality in America.

25% of the respondents said NO.....
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MAKING THE CASE against George Zimmerman is really rather simple.

For reckless endangerment/ stalking - unjustifiable homicide.
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    Zimmerman has been educated and trained in criminology/ Police work.
    (Though he is not an expert, he is more sophisticated than your average Neighborhood Watch Person).

  1. Hence, GZ is educated in Police procedures, protocols (mitigating - instead of INSTIGATING - dynamics).
  2. Trayvon Martin is walking/talking on his cell phone in
  3. According to GZ, when Trayvon notices GZ is following him, Trayvon turns toward Zimmerman
  4. Zimmerman was carrying a "Concealed" Lethal (loaded) Weapon
  5. George called 911 and asked for the Police
  6. 911 did inform GZ that the {real} authorities were en route
  7. Zimmerman said he's looks black, he's looking at me and reaching in his waisteband
    (DOES anyone of sound mind run after a person who "he believes" is carrying a weapon)?
  8. Trayvon is fearful enough that he speeds up his pace (NOTE: GZ said running away)
  9. Zimmerman rushes after Trayvon and informs 911 "these f----- always get away"
  10. Trayvon is then impeded/confronted by Zimmerman in an ALLEY WAY
  11. A physical confrontation results
  12. Trayvon Martin is shot dead by George Zimmerman
  13. First person on the scene finds Trayvon Martin on the ground - with George Zimmerman on top of him
  14. That WITNESS is asked by George Z - NOT to call 911
  15. Police arrive who know GZ (and that he is the son of a retired justice) and rule it justifiable SYG homicide
  16. Trayvon Martin's mother is lied to and told that GZ is "squeaky clean".
  17. Medical Examiner testified that Trayvon had NO findings of DNA of GZ in Trayvon's nails or clothes.
  18. Physical expert gives sworn testimony that Zimmerman's wounds insignificant
  19. EMS on the scene testified that GZ had no membrane breaking inside the nose


Exhibit A - Original 911 Transcript
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

Exhibit B - Pics of George Zimmerman immediately after
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/06/03/1213239/-Officer-s-Cellphone-Pics-Show-Zimmerman-May-NOT-Have-Been-Punched-the-Night-he-Killed-Trayvon

Exhibit C - Medical Examiner/ EMS/ Physical expert testimony at trial

Exhibit D = Police interview of Zimmerman immediately after incident


Exhibit E - Time STAMP of POLICE interview Zimmerman

Exhibit F - Jenna Lauer 911 call - where you don't hear the words GZ claims


Exhibit G - Youtube producer Teeslaw has 911 calls all TimeLINED


Exhibit H - Youtube of Trial playing other 911 Call (WARNING if you have a heart, tear jerking)


Exhibit I - MarinadeDave Award Winning Blogger (Casey Anthony case) - Map of the crime scene
http://marinadedave.com/journal/2012/3/22/the-tragedy-of-trayvon-martin.html

Exhibit J - Synchronization of Trayvon Walk, George Zimmerman Talks film/ crime scene

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Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. The only questions germane to this case are;
    Did GZ possess a lethal weapon - Concealed - with training/ license and Criminal Law Enforcement Training.
  • - Could GZ be fabricating reasons to justify his pursuit of Trayvon Martin
  • After being told Police were en route - should GZ have stood down and waited for their arrival?
  • Would Trayvon Martin or anyone else be justified in defending themselves from the pursuing/stalking Zimmerman?
  • Is it not both lacking in common sense, any training and reckless for one to pursue a person into an Alley Way?
  • Could Zimmerman be the only aggressor in this case?
  • Could it be that it was Trayvon Martin who was screaming help?
  • Did Zimmerman handle this entire affair all wrong
  • Could GZ have waited?
  • Should GZ stopped from physically/personally confronting Trayvon?
  • Wouldn't it have been simple common sense for GZ to pull his gun and tell Trayvon to Freeze?
  • Is it possible that GZ is lying about any of the events in this case?
  • Was this affair Zimmerman's fault?
  • Did George tell the police that the 1st witness found him on top of Trayvon.
  • Was there testimony by the medical experts that there was NO signs of GZ's DNA on Trayvon or under Trayvon's nails?
  • Could George Zimmerman have self inflicted his wounds?
  • Are there more than one detail of GZ's account of what occurred; which has NO corroborative evidence?
  • Would the majority of trained and untrained persons you know, have handle this whole affair differently?
  • Was George Zimmerman UNjustified in his pursuit and responsible for the killing of Trayvon Martin?


Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, if you find yourself answering yes to all of those questions;
then you must find that YES - George Zimmerman's reckless is responsible for the killing of Trayvon Martin!







, his father is a retired justice, he tried (unsuccessfully) to become an Policemen.
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Done. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #1
Thanks 'lamb_shade' laserhaas Aug 2013 #5
signing now Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #2
Appreciate it 'Liberal_in_LA' laserhaas Aug 2013 #6
los angeles Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #17
signed think Aug 2013 #3
Thank ye 'think' laserhaas Aug 2013 #7
Thank you for posting think Aug 2013 #9
Your welcome - PLEASE also make sure you "socialize" the Petition. laserhaas Aug 2013 #10
Signed historylovr Aug 2013 #4
Do appreciate it 'historylovr' laserhaas Aug 2013 #8
On board here. nt brush Aug 2013 #11
Welcome aboard 'brush' - laserhaas Aug 2013 #13
Done libodem Aug 2013 #12
THANKs 'libodem' laserhaas Aug 2013 #14
Will do libodem Aug 2013 #16
Happy to. mercymechap Aug 2013 #15
Thanks - The correct analogy is GZ got 'Scot Free' away with killing Trayvon Martin. laserhaas Aug 2013 #18
+1. Challenge to all Gungeoneers to support what is truly responsible gun legislation. Hoyt Aug 2013 #19
Amen to support of "responsible" legislation laserhaas Aug 2013 #28
I signed and absolutely support elimination of the SYG laws, but would that have helped rhett o rick Aug 2013 #20
The 2005 SYG law changed the definition of self-defense to essentially SYG. Hoyt Aug 2013 #21
The way I understood it the judge ruled not to include the words in the law rhett o rick Aug 2013 #22
Big fat Internet lie ceonupe Aug 2013 #23
The SYG law changed definition of self-defense. The jury instructions prior to 2005, Hoyt Aug 2013 #24
problem is in this case ceonupe Aug 2013 #25
Zman who trained for fighting three days a week could have ended the thing or Hoyt Aug 2013 #27
And was still so soft the trainer would not allow him into a ring. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #29
The trainer was just another bigot who lied for Zman. Hoyt Aug 2013 #30
Concur - GZ had a weapon - all he had to do was draw it and say FREEZE! laserhaas Aug 2013 #34
In the trial the reason stated was because of his credit report. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #36
Counting fights with people, abuse, possible rape, etc., you wonder why the hell people support the Hoyt Aug 2013 #37
What was said in the trial was legal testimony. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #38
Says those who defend Zman. Actually, the fights and spousal abuse ate documented. Hoyt Aug 2013 #39
And offered him the civilian equivalent? Pelican Aug 2013 #49
It sure is convenient... Pelican Aug 2013 #44
If they are also into guns and support Zman, you can pretty much bet on it. Hoyt Aug 2013 #45
Mr. Hoyt, your presumption (empirical evidence notwithstanding) - is, in essence, bigotry laserhaas Aug 2013 #48
Bias is at play in this case, from the outset. If the roles were askew of what transpired laserhaas Aug 2013 #46
Au contraire 'ceonupe' - your remarks are errant in several instances; laserhaas Aug 2013 #47
Yes, it is possible to initiate a conflict and still claim self-defense. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #31
You argue this from the State that still has draconian Laws allowing to shoot/kill your wife outside laserhaas Aug 2013 #33
That is the way self defense law is in all states. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #35
Why? Do you seek a practical application of the draconian? laserhaas Aug 2013 #42
I wanted you to prove it. Such a law is NOT on the books. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #43
Signed Peaceplace80 Aug 2013 #26
I find any conversation on the verdict being judicious a pathetic reflection of contemporary America laserhaas Aug 2013 #32
As for the argument of who was on top of whom - that TOO - is BOGUS banter/ hyperbole/ conjecture laserhaas Aug 2013 #40
It is disingenuous to argue GZ had the right to defend himself; after Trayvon Martin defended 1st. laserhaas Aug 2013 #41
The PETITION is now at 325,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE laserhaas Aug 2013 #50
Done! Now at 328,793. k+r Little Star Aug 2013 #51
Thanks - 'Little Star' laserhaas Aug 2013 #52
The PETITION is now at 341,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE laserhaas Aug 2013 #53
362,000 signatures and climbing laserhaas Aug 2013 #54
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