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the_sly_pig

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28. It concerns me this issue of condemning whistleblowers.

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 04:44 PM

Aug 2013

Manning, Snowden, Rawley. Rather than look upon them as virtuous, they are portrayed as traitors. In my opinion, ultimately whistle blowers have a concern for the greater good and are willing to sacrifice for their beliefs. Making behaviors public has cost these people dearly. It could be that the timeline is contrived, but that shouldn't diminish what they have done.

Regarding * and Vader, after committing our country to war based on false pretense and greed, I find myself unmoved by the simple destruction of constitutional principles.

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US Senate IP Caught Defacing Edward Snowden's Wikipedia Entry [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

From "dissident" to "traitor" to "fugitive", it now reads "American intelligence leaker"... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1

Big Money has learned that they can rewrite history. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #3

They've known that from the get go. There's a reason they're keen on snot Aug 2013 #99

that's at least neutral treestar Aug 2013 #7

The wikipedia editing community is tenacious and precise. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #9

Yes, it was the community, not staffers. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #23

Sometimes they get away with stuff. reusrename Aug 2013 #88

I'm sure there's LOTS of money paying people to revise favorably to the 1% snot Aug 2013 #100

Has there been a trial or something to make the 'change' a fact? Some things actually ARE sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #66

Open-minded people realize that most "facts" are just perceptions. And mostly rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

well if he wins the peace prize PatrynXX Aug 2013 #21

Peace prize?? mimi85 Aug 2013 #25

A agree with you, but; greiner3 Aug 2013 #62

Maybe jtuck004 Aug 2013 #85

What's the matter he hasn't droned enough people for you? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #93

Funny Joe mimi85 Aug 2013 #131

I figured the peace prize comment mad an excellent segue. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #132

I remember when Conscientious Objector was a respected term around here. nt AppleBottom Aug 2013 #94

+1! snot Aug 2013 #102

+ another Scuba Aug 2013 #107

LOL Scurrilous Aug 2013 #120

Ohhh it's on Wiki pedia so it must be true... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #122

Is this a Hatch Act violation and a fire them offense? Coyotl Aug 2013 #2

Like Snowden did? nt mimi85 Aug 2013 #26

Well, since you put it that way...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #29

"Two wrongs don't make a..." cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #46

Oh, the fuck! Vanje Aug 2013 #35

It's very easy to fake an IP address HipChick Aug 2013 #4

It's easy to deface a Wikipedia entry Aerows Aug 2013 #5

+1 n/t tammywammy Aug 2013 #6

I don't PatrynXX Aug 2013 #22

beer & travel money? HiPointDem Aug 2013 #89

Easy to deface, yes. Quickly changed? In certain cases, yes. mwooldri Aug 2013 #82

True. Which unfortunately means that possibility will be completely ignored by Neo-DU. nt tridim Aug 2013 #8

You think someone is trying to make the Senate look bad? pscot Aug 2013 #11

No, I just know IP addresses can be spoofed. Easily. nt tridim Aug 2013 #14

Really? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #106

Anything is possible. What's PROBABLE is another story altogether. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #65

But not easy to fool wiki techs n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

Spoofed IPs aren't traceable. tridim Aug 2013 #15

Wanna bet? n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #64

That is tot tunneling AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #86

yeah, that happened frylock Aug 2013 #17

Or to log into a server with a wifi password. Coyotl Aug 2013 #36

Not really in this case... TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2013 #113

comforting that Senate staffers can convict someone of treason anonymously carolinayellowdog Aug 2013 #12

There is apparently no end to the petty regarding Snowden. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #13

Cute nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #16

The fuck is this.. don't they know snowden is the only Cha Aug 2013 #18

So far the NSA can still "get away with it". Wilms Aug 2013 #19

Unfortunately.....Snowden isn't exactly a hero, ladies and gentlemen. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #20

Snowden is like a LOT of Americans..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #27

I was wondering what today's meme from The Authority was going to be. former9thward Aug 2013 #37

That's like saying he only supported peeping before because Bush was from Texas. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #49

Thats low Vanje Aug 2013 #39

At least THEIR intentions are solid! Snowden's, not so much. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #44

How do you know Vanje Aug 2013 #47

Vanje, I've done quite a bit of research on this guy.....and believe me, AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #51

Research should deliver facts you can share rather than serve as context for Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #109

Who or what Snowden is chervilant Aug 2013 #118

The whole Tea Party went there after it was hijacked from Ron Paul.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #50

Sad but damn true, I'm afraid. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #43

He did the right thing in exposing this stuff but that doesn't make him an icon.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #52

It's his motivations that have me quite concerned. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #55

He's a Libertarian infiltrator.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #59

But could he be a "double agent" of sorts? AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #60

There's a difference between Liberals and Conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #61

Then again, perhaps you won't. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #68

Well, we'll see. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #75

I find that folks who have the time to post endless insinuations and arch implications Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #110

are you referring to the Dave Emory conspiracy? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #48

Naw,...I've met Tea Party houswives that couldn't have told you who was president in 06. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #54

Well.....all I gotta say is..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #73

Desperate AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #87

It concerns me this issue of condemning whistleblowers. the_sly_pig Aug 2013 #28

Welcome to DU..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #33

thank you. :) the_sly_pig Aug 2013 #81

China and Germany ae not my country. Vanje Aug 2013 #34

When disidoro01 Aug 2013 #38

Yeah, I hear you. Doesn't change what I said a darn bit, though. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #69

The only disidoro01 Aug 2013 #119

I do not like Ron Paul Vanje Aug 2013 #124

Snowden has higher approval ratings than congress and is certainly more heroic than politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #63

Let's not lose sight of the bigger picture, though. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #71

The NSA and it's spying is the "Bigger Picture". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #77

It's part of the picture, yes. But not the whole thing. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #84

IF Rand Paul wins in '16......(shudder) Vanje Aug 2013 #125

Thanks for the honesty. Sorta. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #67

There may not be many, but they sure are LOUD. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #72

So you're saying there are posters here who are blaming what the NSA is doing on PO? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #74

Sibel Edwards says herself that, in following proper channels, she's been totally shut down. ancianita Aug 2013 #117

Not surprising, sadly. The NSA is STILL corrupt even under a better POTUS. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #128

The Obama administrations zealous crack down on whistle blowers Vanje Aug 2013 #126

Mahalo, Joe~ Cha Aug 2013 #101

Where was he at the end of Bush's term? Being 25 years old. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #108

Hey effin' senate staffer: what about those who fail to preserve and protect the Constitution of the indepat Aug 2013 #24

Heavy metal as in Satyricon and Dissection?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #30

I'm sure the NSA knows who did it. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #31

+1 to the camera snake! whttevrr Aug 2013 #41

Those in power who subvert the Constitution are the traitors. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #32

Senate staffers, like their bosses, work for the 1%. nt valerief Aug 2013 #40

So, it appears, was Fast Eddie Snowden. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #76

Ad Hominem AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #90

Assuming that Snowden had any real character to begin with..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #96

Thanks AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #98

Character attacks are the domain of those who lack any factual or reality based Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #111

Such Cute NickNames HangOnKids Aug 2013 #91

Lulz, bro. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #95

Yes and those emoticons really help sell the deep thought and serious view you Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #112

You have failed to demonstrate that. Vanje Aug 2013 #127

propaganda in action RainDog Aug 2013 #42

stay classy Senate Intelligence Committee! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #45

I hope someone finds out which Senate member's staff did it. millennialmax Aug 2013 #53

Your tax dollars at work! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #56

Interns drinking in the office again!!! MADem Aug 2013 #57

Interesting article, indeed! But even Russian citizens aren't all thrilled that Ed is in their mix Number23 Aug 2013 #78

He's not getting the 'Depardieu' treatment, that's for sure! MADem Aug 2013 #79

I loved that quote and I knew you'd like it too!! Number23 Aug 2013 #80

Russians may be living under the defacto Putin regime MADem Aug 2013 #83

Sad but damn true. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #97

I saw that via Bob Cesca's blog.. and, this is "ironic" how?.. Cha Aug 2013 #103

Cesca's attacks on Lt Dan Choi were so deeply dishonest and filled with name calling Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #114

Go figure libodem Aug 2013 #58

Incoming NSA unreadierLizard Aug 2013 #70

Wow, talk about hitting a new low. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #92

The edit was right he is a traitor. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #104

kick nominated...... didn't see this post Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #105

this government is pathetic fascisthunter Aug 2013 #116

NO!! Not his wikpedia page!!1! Scurrilous Aug 2013 #121

Isn't time to RICO the Senate? KansDem Aug 2013 #123

I think $50 million spent conducting 40 theatrical votes qualifies the House for that, as well. nt ancianita Aug 2013 #129

Probably just another "Snowden" type... gulliver Aug 2013 #130