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AverageJoe90

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Sat Aug 3, 2013, 04:57 PM

Aug 2013

While it is true that many of today's whistleblowers(Sibel Edmonds is a great example from a little while back, as was Valerie Plame) have indeed had noble intentions in mind, I am sincerely concerned that Snowden's intentions were far less than pure; and unfortunately, there are mounds of evidence that suggest that indeed, he had nothing but ulterior motives in mind.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/exclusive-in-2009-ed-snowden-said-leakers-should-be-shot-then-he-became-one/

Snowden was also a backer of Ron Paul in last year's elections:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/edward-snowden-ron-paul_n_3414992.html

And that's just the tip of the iceberg that not all is as it seems with this Snowden fellow......not to mention that just 4 years ago, he was openly far-right and said that hackers oughta be shot...

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US Senate IP Caught Defacing Edward Snowden's Wikipedia Entry [View all] kpete Aug 2013 OP

From "dissident" to "traitor" to "fugitive", it now reads "American intelligence leaker"... NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1

Big Money has learned that they can rewrite history. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #3

They've known that from the get go. There's a reason they're keen on snot Aug 2013 #99

that's at least neutral treestar Aug 2013 #7

The wikipedia editing community is tenacious and precise. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #9

Yes, it was the community, not staffers. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #23

Sometimes they get away with stuff. reusrename Aug 2013 #88

I'm sure there's LOTS of money paying people to revise favorably to the 1% snot Aug 2013 #100

Has there been a trial or something to make the 'change' a fact? Some things actually ARE sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #66

Open-minded people realize that most "facts" are just perceptions. And mostly rhett o rick Aug 2013 #115

well if he wins the peace prize PatrynXX Aug 2013 #21

Peace prize?? mimi85 Aug 2013 #25

A agree with you, but; greiner3 Aug 2013 #62

Maybe jtuck004 Aug 2013 #85

What's the matter he hasn't droned enough people for you? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #93

Funny Joe mimi85 Aug 2013 #131

I figured the peace prize comment mad an excellent segue. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #132

I remember when Conscientious Objector was a respected term around here. nt AppleBottom Aug 2013 #94

+1! snot Aug 2013 #102

+ another Scuba Aug 2013 #107

LOL Scurrilous Aug 2013 #120

Ohhh it's on Wiki pedia so it must be true... AppleBottom Aug 2013 #122

Is this a Hatch Act violation and a fire them offense? Coyotl Aug 2013 #2

Like Snowden did? nt mimi85 Aug 2013 #26

Well, since you put it that way...... DeSwiss Aug 2013 #29

"Two wrongs don't make a..." cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #46

Oh, the fuck! Vanje Aug 2013 #35

It's very easy to fake an IP address HipChick Aug 2013 #4

It's easy to deface a Wikipedia entry Aerows Aug 2013 #5

+1 n/t tammywammy Aug 2013 #6

I don't PatrynXX Aug 2013 #22

beer & travel money? HiPointDem Aug 2013 #89

Easy to deface, yes. Quickly changed? In certain cases, yes. mwooldri Aug 2013 #82

True. Which unfortunately means that possibility will be completely ignored by Neo-DU. nt tridim Aug 2013 #8

You think someone is trying to make the Senate look bad? pscot Aug 2013 #11

No, I just know IP addresses can be spoofed. Easily. nt tridim Aug 2013 #14

Really? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #106

Anything is possible. What's PROBABLE is another story altogether. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #65

But not easy to fool wiki techs n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #10

Spoofed IPs aren't traceable. tridim Aug 2013 #15

Wanna bet? n/t leftstreet Aug 2013 #64

That is tot tunneling AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #86

yeah, that happened frylock Aug 2013 #17

Or to log into a server with a wifi password. Coyotl Aug 2013 #36

Not really in this case... TampaAnimusVortex Aug 2013 #113

comforting that Senate staffers can convict someone of treason anonymously carolinayellowdog Aug 2013 #12

There is apparently no end to the petty regarding Snowden. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #13

Cute nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #16

The fuck is this.. don't they know snowden is the only Cha Aug 2013 #18

So far the NSA can still "get away with it". Wilms Aug 2013 #19

Unfortunately.....Snowden isn't exactly a hero, ladies and gentlemen. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #20

Snowden is like a LOT of Americans..... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #27

I was wondering what today's meme from The Authority was going to be. former9thward Aug 2013 #37

That's like saying he only supported peeping before because Bush was from Texas. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #49

Thats low Vanje Aug 2013 #39

At least THEIR intentions are solid! Snowden's, not so much. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #44

How do you know Vanje Aug 2013 #47

Vanje, I've done quite a bit of research on this guy.....and believe me, AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #51

Research should deliver facts you can share rather than serve as context for Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #109

Who or what Snowden is chervilant Aug 2013 #118

The whole Tea Party went there after it was hijacked from Ron Paul.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #50

Sad but damn true, I'm afraid. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #43

He did the right thing in exposing this stuff but that doesn't make him an icon.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #52

It's his motivations that have me quite concerned. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #55

He's a Libertarian infiltrator.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #59

But could he be a "double agent" of sorts? AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #60

There's a difference between Liberals and Conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #61

Then again, perhaps you won't. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #68

Well, we'll see. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #75

I find that folks who have the time to post endless insinuations and arch implications Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #110

are you referring to the Dave Emory conspiracy? nashville_brook Aug 2013 #48

Naw,...I've met Tea Party houswives that couldn't have told you who was president in 06. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #54

Well.....all I gotta say is..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #73

Desperate AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #87

It concerns me this issue of condemning whistleblowers. the_sly_pig Aug 2013 #28

Welcome to DU..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #33

thank you. :) the_sly_pig Aug 2013 #81

China and Germany ae not my country. Vanje Aug 2013 #34

When disidoro01 Aug 2013 #38

Yeah, I hear you. Doesn't change what I said a darn bit, though. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #69

The only disidoro01 Aug 2013 #119

I do not like Ron Paul Vanje Aug 2013 #124

Snowden has higher approval ratings than congress and is certainly more heroic than politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #63

Let's not lose sight of the bigger picture, though. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #71

The NSA and it's spying is the "Bigger Picture". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #77

It's part of the picture, yes. But not the whole thing. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #84

IF Rand Paul wins in '16......(shudder) Vanje Aug 2013 #125

Thanks for the honesty. Sorta. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #67

There may not be many, but they sure are LOUD. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #72

So you're saying there are posters here who are blaming what the NSA is doing on PO? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #74

Sibel Edwards says herself that, in following proper channels, she's been totally shut down. ancianita Aug 2013 #117

Not surprising, sadly. The NSA is STILL corrupt even under a better POTUS. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #128

The Obama administrations zealous crack down on whistle blowers Vanje Aug 2013 #126

Mahalo, Joe~ Cha Aug 2013 #101

Where was he at the end of Bush's term? Being 25 years old. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #108

Hey effin' senate staffer: what about those who fail to preserve and protect the Constitution of the indepat Aug 2013 #24

Heavy metal as in Satyricon and Dissection?? darkangel218 Aug 2013 #30

I'm sure the NSA knows who did it. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #31

+1 to the camera snake! whttevrr Aug 2013 #41

Those in power who subvert the Constitution are the traitors. Faryn Balyncd Aug 2013 #32

Senate staffers, like their bosses, work for the 1%. nt valerief Aug 2013 #40

So, it appears, was Fast Eddie Snowden. n/t AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #76

Ad Hominem AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #90

Assuming that Snowden had any real character to begin with..... AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #96

Thanks AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #98

Character attacks are the domain of those who lack any factual or reality based Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #111

Such Cute NickNames HangOnKids Aug 2013 #91

Lulz, bro. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #95

Yes and those emoticons really help sell the deep thought and serious view you Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #112

You have failed to demonstrate that. Vanje Aug 2013 #127

propaganda in action RainDog Aug 2013 #42

stay classy Senate Intelligence Committee! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #45

I hope someone finds out which Senate member's staff did it. millennialmax Aug 2013 #53

Your tax dollars at work! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #56

Interns drinking in the office again!!! MADem Aug 2013 #57

Interesting article, indeed! But even Russian citizens aren't all thrilled that Ed is in their mix Number23 Aug 2013 #78

He's not getting the 'Depardieu' treatment, that's for sure! MADem Aug 2013 #79

I loved that quote and I knew you'd like it too!! Number23 Aug 2013 #80

Russians may be living under the defacto Putin regime MADem Aug 2013 #83

Sad but damn true. AverageJoe90 Aug 2013 #97

I saw that via Bob Cesca's blog.. and, this is "ironic" how?.. Cha Aug 2013 #103

Cesca's attacks on Lt Dan Choi were so deeply dishonest and filled with name calling Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #114

Go figure libodem Aug 2013 #58

Incoming NSA unreadierLizard Aug 2013 #70

Wow, talk about hitting a new low. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #92

The edit was right he is a traitor. 4bucksagallon Aug 2013 #104

kick nominated...... didn't see this post Ichingcarpenter Aug 2013 #105

this government is pathetic fascisthunter Aug 2013 #116

NO!! Not his wikpedia page!!1! Scurrilous Aug 2013 #121

Isn't time to RICO the Senate? KansDem Aug 2013 #123

I think $50 million spent conducting 40 theatrical votes qualifies the House for that, as well. nt ancianita Aug 2013 #129

Probably just another "Snowden" type... gulliver Aug 2013 #130