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frazzled

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22. Yup, it's a sad formula

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 06:24 PM

Aug 2013

Race = poverty = increase in crime

Will this cycle ever be broken here? One factor we haven't discussed is youth. Most of these homicides are among the very young, and much of it is gang-related. Here the problem we have is related in large part to the reign of gangs in these neighborhoods. There are many, many good people living in Englewood and Garfield Park ... but they're living in terror of this gang activity. Solve that, and you'll see the homicide rate really go down, even if segregation, poverty, and some elements persist.

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You think Chicago has the worst homicide rate? [View all] BainsBane Aug 2013 OP

bookmarked the link... chillfactor Aug 2013 #1

Note that this is 2011 BainsBane Aug 2013 #3

I went to the FBI website. It seems that 2011 is the most recent stats they have. mucifer Aug 2013 #4

gun humpers LOVE using Chicago Skittles Aug 2013 #2

Just as you lot studiously avoid discussing Houston friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #12

"you lot" Skittles Aug 2013 #23

Did you read the OP? Squinch Aug 2013 #29

Like 'you lot" BainsBane Aug 2013 #41

Too bad for you that I didn't say "more guns actually lead to fewer shootings." friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #50

Japan has a *very* high homicide rate, mostly due to suicides. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #54

When do you plan on addressing the data from other countries regarding murder rates and Heywood J Aug 2013 #49

Murder rates and gun availability don't track exactly. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #51

No, but one does appear to feed off the other. Heywood J Aug 2013 #56

The murder rate in the US has been declining since at least 1991, per the FBI friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #58

We have cut our murder rate in half over the past 20 years hack89 Aug 2013 #59

Perhaps the murder rate is down, but the population growth rate is also down. Heywood J Aug 2013 #61

Murders are down in absolute numbers hack89 Aug 2013 #62

I bet it would have declined even more if we stopped coddling yahoos who arm up. Hoyt Aug 2013 #79

Don't the Swiss have an actual militia suffragette Aug 2013 #63

Yes, and they also have less income inequality and more social homogeniety than we do. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #64

And, they require that single gun to be locked up, restrict toting, severely limit amount Hoyt Aug 2013 #80

Those data are inaccurate Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #5

I think the issue with Chicago is that there is such segregation. mucifer Aug 2013 #6

It's pretty segregated in housing, but ... frazzled Aug 2013 #16

THere is a huge issue in Chicago with Regard to Race Crime and Poverty: mucifer Aug 2013 #20

Yup, it's a sad formula frazzled Aug 2013 #22

as a chicagoan now texan, elehhhhna Aug 2013 #46

Your numbers are for 2012, the chart is for 2011 BainsBane Aug 2013 #8

It's still inaccurate Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #10

I wonder how the FBI lists crime stats BainsBane Aug 2013 #44

They list them by city and also by MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area) friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #53

to me, a metro area defines a city hfojvt Aug 2013 #32

No, it's because of population density. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #38

a city isn't a suburb hfojvt Aug 2013 #42

The metro area is based on density and is the standard statistical demographic object Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #48

No, it isn't, and no, it's not. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #67

Correct.. using city limits, here's the 2011 list.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #33

Pro Gun Talkiing Points otohara Aug 2013 #7

Why do guns cause less damage in decidedly pro-gun Houston? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #14

My wife spent much of her childhood in Houston - she bragged on their schools derby378 Aug 2013 #18

Two Words - Poverty and Gangs Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2013 #35

I'd have guessed Detroit or New Orleans. alphafemale Aug 2013 #9

Flint is a depopulated urban core like Detroit FarCenter Aug 2013 #11

Now that's breaking wind. nt valerief Aug 2013 #13

I thought Los Angeles Iliyah Aug 2013 #15

Isn't Gary Indiana right over the border from Chicago in a pro gun state one of the worst? coldmountain Aug 2013 #17

I think the point has been Chicago's gun ban pintobean Aug 2013 #19

Well, a gunner told me that ban was repealed in 2010 BainsBane Aug 2013 #21

That's for possession pintobean Aug 2013 #25

That hardly constitutes a ban then BainsBane Aug 2013 #28

I guess that depends on what "limited" means pintobean Aug 2013 #30

The point from the pro-gun side has been that the ban drove the stats up. Gidney N Cloyd Aug 2013 #36

Mmm, not really. Pro 2A folks said the nearly 40 yr. Ban... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #43

What ban? Tens of millions of guns have been produced during that 40 years, and legally available Hoyt Aug 2013 #81

Oh, Chi had bans alright. But you don't want to acknowledge the flaws of prohibition: Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #82

Er...no. I didn't think that. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #24

Notice . . . OldRedneck Aug 2013 #26

Actually.. check prelim 2012 data.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #31

Wow. The News Orleans rate is beyond belief. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #27

We've always been like that. It's part of our culture, we murder one another. RB TexLa Aug 2013 #37

Wait a minute... NewThinkingChance40 Aug 2013 #34

Guh; those are all pretty alarming Posteritatis Aug 2013 #39

That's what happens when people think freedom is defined by guns BainsBane Aug 2013 #40

Got it... Yeah, Chicago is awful and their policies have failed... Pelican Aug 2013 #45

Try reading BainsBane Aug 2013 #47

There are actually people who WANT the United States to have the highest homicide rate cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #57

The gun industry wants gun sales BainsBane Aug 2013 #72

So, no? n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #78

"That is why we have the highest homicide rate in the First World, and that is exactly how gun... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60

So cutting our murder rate in half over the past twenty years hack89 Aug 2013 #66

that has to do with the percentage of young males in the population BainsBane Aug 2013 #73

So demographics overwhelmed the impact of more guns? hack89 Aug 2013 #74

The murder rate is still too high . . branford Aug 2013 #52

It's too high in Detroit, Nola, DC, Baltimore BainsBane Aug 2013 #70

Despite declining crime rates, you and I are in rare agreement. branford Aug 2013 #71

I'm surprised about Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #55

The media influence how we perceived which cities are most dangerous BainsBane Aug 2013 #65

Where's Oakland on that list? Or did they exclude the western U.S.? nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #68

This graphic used a table that used metropolitan statistical areas.. X_Digger Aug 2013 #69

That's murders per 100,000 people, I'm assuming... nomorenomore08 Aug 2013 #75

Yup, sorry for not annotating a quick cut and paste. n/t X_Digger Aug 2013 #76

Where does Chicago rate in their total number of homicides? Jenoch Aug 2013 #77