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ceonupe

(597 posts)
25. problem is in this case
Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:02 PM
Aug 2013

once the state admitted that zimmerman was mounted by trayvon zimmerman had no way to retreat and even under the old law it would be the same as the state admits Trayvon was ontop.

Like i said once the state mounted the dummy this case was officially over.

What zimmerman did prior to the "fight" is not illegal.

This case is all kinds of bad. but the state made it so much worse by visually simulating trayvon ontop and arguing the injuries wern't that "bad". For most people someone ontop of you when you are on the ground is pass the point of retreat.

But what zimmerman did initially wrong was profiling a black kid as a criminal. And unfortunately that's not illegal. In fact its standard practice for many police forces and is the preferred practice of Supper gun controller Mike bloomberg who specifically states more blacks should be stopped harassed and frisked. You see its that kind of thinking and policy that empowered zimmerman to start this whole thing. The Mike Bloombergs' NYPD would have stated Trayvon was making furtive movements/actions or was "out of place" would have stopped him questioned at gun point and would have physically searched him and held him till they confirmed his Identification.

You see the law sees this as not one big incident but 2 one legal but unmoral and wrong because it was based on profiling that turns out to be totally wrong. (that trayvon was a criminal in commission of potential crime) and a second part the "confrontation/fight" which the state did a horrible job explaining beyond a reasonable doubt and even admitted that Trayvon was on top at time of shooting.

Like I said this should not be about SYG but about racial profiling and how government policing polices encourage these types of situations. had Zimmerman not profiled Trayvon, Trayvon would not be dead. There would have never been a confrontation and no need for Trayvon to have been ontop of Zimmerman.

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Done. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #1
Thanks 'lamb_shade' laserhaas Aug 2013 #5
signing now Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #2
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signed think Aug 2013 #3
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Thank you for posting think Aug 2013 #9
Your welcome - PLEASE also make sure you "socialize" the Petition. laserhaas Aug 2013 #10
Signed historylovr Aug 2013 #4
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On board here. nt brush Aug 2013 #11
Welcome aboard 'brush' - laserhaas Aug 2013 #13
Done libodem Aug 2013 #12
THANKs 'libodem' laserhaas Aug 2013 #14
Will do libodem Aug 2013 #16
Happy to. mercymechap Aug 2013 #15
Thanks - The correct analogy is GZ got 'Scot Free' away with killing Trayvon Martin. laserhaas Aug 2013 #18
+1. Challenge to all Gungeoneers to support what is truly responsible gun legislation. Hoyt Aug 2013 #19
Amen to support of "responsible" legislation laserhaas Aug 2013 #28
I signed and absolutely support elimination of the SYG laws, but would that have helped rhett o rick Aug 2013 #20
The 2005 SYG law changed the definition of self-defense to essentially SYG. Hoyt Aug 2013 #21
The way I understood it the judge ruled not to include the words in the law rhett o rick Aug 2013 #22
Big fat Internet lie ceonupe Aug 2013 #23
The SYG law changed definition of self-defense. The jury instructions prior to 2005, Hoyt Aug 2013 #24
problem is in this case ceonupe Aug 2013 #25
Zman who trained for fighting three days a week could have ended the thing or Hoyt Aug 2013 #27
And was still so soft the trainer would not allow him into a ring. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #29
The trainer was just another bigot who lied for Zman. Hoyt Aug 2013 #30
Concur - GZ had a weapon - all he had to do was draw it and say FREEZE! laserhaas Aug 2013 #34
In the trial the reason stated was because of his credit report. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #36
Counting fights with people, abuse, possible rape, etc., you wonder why the hell people support the Hoyt Aug 2013 #37
What was said in the trial was legal testimony. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #38
Says those who defend Zman. Actually, the fights and spousal abuse ate documented. Hoyt Aug 2013 #39
And offered him the civilian equivalent? Pelican Aug 2013 #49
It sure is convenient... Pelican Aug 2013 #44
If they are also into guns and support Zman, you can pretty much bet on it. Hoyt Aug 2013 #45
Mr. Hoyt, your presumption (empirical evidence notwithstanding) - is, in essence, bigotry laserhaas Aug 2013 #48
Bias is at play in this case, from the outset. If the roles were askew of what transpired laserhaas Aug 2013 #46
Au contraire 'ceonupe' - your remarks are errant in several instances; laserhaas Aug 2013 #47
Yes, it is possible to initiate a conflict and still claim self-defense. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #31
You argue this from the State that still has draconian Laws allowing to shoot/kill your wife outside laserhaas Aug 2013 #33
That is the way self defense law is in all states. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #35
Why? Do you seek a practical application of the draconian? laserhaas Aug 2013 #42
I wanted you to prove it. Such a law is NOT on the books. GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #43
Signed Peaceplace80 Aug 2013 #26
I find any conversation on the verdict being judicious a pathetic reflection of contemporary America laserhaas Aug 2013 #32
As for the argument of who was on top of whom - that TOO - is BOGUS banter/ hyperbole/ conjecture laserhaas Aug 2013 #40
It is disingenuous to argue GZ had the right to defend himself; after Trayvon Martin defended 1st. laserhaas Aug 2013 #41
The PETITION is now at 325,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE laserhaas Aug 2013 #50
Done! Now at 328,793. k+r Little Star Aug 2013 #51
Thanks - 'Little Star' laserhaas Aug 2013 #52
The PETITION is now at 341,000 signatures and climbing. Thanks for your help thus far. PLEASE laserhaas Aug 2013 #53
362,000 signatures and climbing laserhaas Aug 2013 #54
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