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magical thyme

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68. Yes. Furthermore, CWD spread outside of Wisconsin long ago.

Sat Aug 3, 2013, 10:05 PM

Aug 2013

Cripes, I did my final paper on prion disease when I took Microbiology 4 years ago, and CWD had already spread east as far as NY as I recall, and throughout the midwest.

Killing the fawn did not do a single thing to prevent the spread of CWD

She was to go to a licensed rehab the next day. It's not by accident that they showed up the day the before;they've been harassing that shelter for some time now.

And the phenomenally ignorant warden compared what should have been a simple investigation to a fucking drug raid.

And yes they do have a choice. They did NOT have to kill the fawn on the spot. Some other people , I believe it was in Wisconsin, were just allowed to keep a deer they raised. Those people had the chance to take it to court; something the DNR didn't give this shelter a chance to do.

Well now the shelter is considering suing them, and I hope they do. I know I'll contribute.

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Overkill: Armed Agents Raid Wisconsin Animal Shelter; Kill Baby Deer Named Giggles "It was like SWAT [View all] midnight Aug 2013 OP

Sadistic bastards newfie11 Aug 2013 #1

Crap like this is so over the top it's beyond words to describe ... of course, they RKP5637 Aug 2013 #2

Why didn't they communicate with these workers and find out that this animal was going to be put in midnight Aug 2013 #7

To me, they were authoritarians with guns and legalized power coming RKP5637 Aug 2013 #24

WTF!?!? PD Turk Aug 2013 #3

Shortly ---they will surface warrant46 Aug 2013 #5

killers Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #4

They have to do SOMETHING to justify all the quasi-military equipment truebluegreen Aug 2013 #6

^ This. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #53

A 'baby fawn'? Jenoch Aug 2013 #8

Yes, it was totally the fault of the people who wanted to help. LisaLynne Aug 2013 #9

The fawn was rescued due to the Jenoch Aug 2013 #12

and you know this because you were there? magical thyme Aug 2013 #15

I know this because I am familiar Jenoch Aug 2013 #18

Yeah so am I and you don't send in a swat team to kill bambi. Rex Aug 2013 #22

"U.S. Fish and Wildlife" for an 'abandoned' fawn? Jenoch Aug 2013 #23

Why not they do it all the time. Rex Aug 2013 #32

Are you calling me ignorant? Jenoch Aug 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Aug 2013 #46

I probably should Jenoch Aug 2013 #47

Well it won't make you any friends on the internets. Rex Aug 2013 #48

I have done a lot of Jenoch Aug 2013 #49

Same here and you are right Rex Aug 2013 #51

It should have been sent to a wildlife rehabber to be raised for release. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #54

I hink the problem Jenoch Aug 2013 #56

Yes, they really over reacted Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #58

No, it should not have been. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #62

The point is it did not take a tactical squad unit to dispatch the deer. Rex Aug 2013 #67

it's debateable as to what the appropriate level of response Crepuscular Aug 2013 #70

Not really, not since usually one person can handle that task. Rex Aug 2013 #84

One person would be an inappropriate number Crepuscular Aug 2013 #85

No wrong, usually it only takes one person. Rex Aug 2013 #86

I deal with CO's and wildlife biologists on a regular basis Crepuscular Aug 2013 #90

A wildlife rehabber would have raised the deer, monitored it's health, Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #72

Releasing a deer which Crepuscular Aug 2013 #80

No logic Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #88

No logic Crepuscular Aug 2013 #89

I am a wildlife rehabber and know the laws in my area inside and out Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #91

What state are you licensed in? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #92

Was the fawn known to have CWD? N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #93

There is no way to know Crepuscular Aug 2013 #94

Why would it be wrong to release into the same area it was found in? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #96

Because of the possibility Crepuscular Aug 2013 #100

if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved magical thyme Aug 2013 #10

Does do not 'abandon' their fawns. Jenoch Aug 2013 #13

maybe not, but they do sometimes get killed by accident. magical thyme Aug 2013 #14

If the doe was killed by a car, Jenoch Aug 2013 #17

No they do not but fawns do become orphans when something happens to the doe. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #55

highly unlikely Crepuscular Aug 2013 #59

well this deer didn't come from Wisconsin. The shelter is on the border. The deer was brought to the magical thyme Aug 2013 #60

The deer came from Illinois, correct? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #66

Yes. Furthermore, CWD spread outside of Wisconsin long ago. magical thyme Aug 2013 #68

You might want to study up on CWD. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #69

the shelter provided *temporary* shelter. Of course it wasn't planning to become a licensed deer magical thyme Aug 2013 #71

Don't need to thanks, Crepuscular Aug 2013 #79

the "out of date" CDC map is dated 2012 and makes clear that CDW originated in CO in 1960, magical thyme Aug 2013 #81

Yes, outdated Crepuscular Aug 2013 #82

Poster just wants to defend the DNR, which is silly Rex Aug 2013 #87

The Minnesota DNR Jenoch Aug 2013 #104

Yes, I realize that. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #108

Thanks for that information. Jenoch Aug 2013 #109

I don't know. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #110

Very unlikely the fawn was abandoned. The mother hides the fawn during the day. The fawn is well yellowcanine Aug 2013 #95

1. Irrevelent to the topic and 2. we don't know the details of why somebody thought she was magical thyme Aug 2013 #98

Your post said, " if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved" yellowcanine Aug 2013 #99

Last year we had a fawn hit by a car, who mostly likely was following her mother across the road magical thyme Aug 2013 #101

Yeah DNR was wrong but so were the people who "rescued" the fawn. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #103

this thread is about the DNR's actions magical thyme Aug 2013 #111

And my opinion is that the thread is about more than just DNR's actions. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #112

"Shut up, idiot." is almost not the proper response. flvegan Aug 2013 #11

The only response here that says Jenoch Aug 2013 #21

Wow, do you have any compassion or empathy at all? Dont answer, it's rhetorical. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #19

What is your experience with wildlife in general and Jenoch Aug 2013 #20

So in a case like this where people interfered we should let nature take it's course and shoot the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #30

I don't know Jenoch Aug 2013 #31

That is not true. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #57

Many no kill shelters are not really set up to hold deer. Rex Aug 2013 #61

she was scheduled for transport to a licensed wildlife rehab center the next day, and DNR knew it magical thyme Aug 2013 #74

So these guys just had a hard on to kill it? snooper2 Aug 2013 #97

I totally agree. it should have been sent to a wildlife rehab center. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #75

all of which is fucking IRRELEVENT to the fact that the fawn was to be transported to a licensed magical thyme Aug 2013 #64

Ah, it makes more sense now. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #73

Who called them? The NRA? Why bother? Something very wrong there. freshwest Aug 2013 #16

I agree... ACLU is doing a national investigation into these over the top uses of Swat responses... midnight Aug 2013 #77

Good, but I want to know who called. It was none of their business. freshwest Aug 2013 #78

Example #25,000,000 of why the militarization of law enforcement is an issue we need to deal with DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Aug 2013 #26

This kind of stuff scares the shit out of me. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #27

I am employed by a similar state agency. This kind of sick shit does not surprise me TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #28

Great! leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #29

Dispatching an assault team to deal with a fawn. We have a new definition of "cowardly." DirkGently Aug 2013 #34

My guess is there weren't there for the fawn but rather for what they deemed eco-terrorists HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #35

The "eco-terror" group "The Society of St. Francis?" That doesn't DirkGently Aug 2013 #36

I didn't see anything is -this- article, but there have been a handful of stories HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #38

Well I think that gets to part of the root problem -- DirkGently Aug 2013 #41

Keystone XL Activists Labeled Possible Eco-Terrorists in Internal TransCanada Documents HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #43

Exactly. This is why the blase attitude about the burgeoning "anti- DirkGently Aug 2013 #45

Yes they are cowards Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #106

Can anyone here think of any reason that LE is so anally anti-deer all the time? Doremus Aug 2013 #37

They don't care for dogs much either damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #40

Beat me to it. What's with all the dog murder? DirkGently Aug 2013 #42

the wisconsin dnr pulled their facbook page rdking647 Aug 2013 #39

I sent the warden an email magical thyme Aug 2013 #76

Fucking pigs... 99Forever Aug 2013 #44

I have always been VERY proud of my Wisconsin roots Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #50

As a person from North Carolina, I'd like to give you a great big hug of understanding. NCarolinawoman Aug 2013 #65

We're in the same boat for sure! Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #83

This is fucked up and sick. Period. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #52

Look no further than the wacko who heads the WDNR. Release The Hounds Aug 2013 #63

Stupid, meet Crazy. We'd like you to take orders from Mean. nt valerief Aug 2013 #102

Perfect. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #113

Way over-the-top action by WDNR. This could have been Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #105

If you're in Wisconsin, stop by the Wisconsin state fair and let the DNR know.... midnight Aug 2013 #107