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magical thyme

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81. the "out of date" CDC map is dated 2012 and makes clear that CDW originated in CO in 1960,
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 10:32 AM
Aug 2013

where it is endemic, spread outward from there and has been found in 15 states and 2 Canadian provinces, with the greatest concentration in the 4 corners where it is endemic, not just the 2 states you're harping on.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/cwd/

"...CWD was first identified as a fatal wasting syndrome in captive mule deer in Colorado in the late 1960s and in the wild in 1981. It was recognized as a spongiform encephalopathy in 1978.

By the mid-1990s, CWD had been diagnosed among free-ranging deer and elk in a contiguous area in northeastern Colorado and southeastern Wyoming, where the disease is now endemic. In recent years, CWD has been found in areas outside of this disease-endemic zone, including areas east of the Mississippi River. The geographic range of diseased animals currently includes 15 U.S. states and two Canadian provinces and is likely to continue to grow. Surveillance studies of hunter-harvested animals indicate the overall prevalence of the disease in northeastern Colorado and southeastern Wyoming from 1996 to 1999 was estimated to be approximately 5% in mule deer, 2% in white-tailed deer, and <1% in elk.

Chronic Wasting Disease Among Free-Ranging Cervids by County, United States, August 2012


Colorado
1.Boulder County
2.Douglas County
3.Eagle County
4.El Paso County
5.Grand County
6.Jackson County
7.Jefferson County
8.Larimer County
9.Logan County
10.Mesa County
11.Moffatt County
12.Morgan County
13.Phillips County
14.Pueblo County
15.Rio Blanco County
16.Routt County
17.Sedgwick County
18.Summit County
19.Weld County
20.Yuma County

Illinois
1.Boone County
2.Dekalb County
3.Grundy County
4.Jo Daviess County
5.Kane County
6.LaSalle County
7.McHenry County
8.Ogle County
9.Stephenson County
10.Winnebago County

Kansas
1.Cheyenne County
2.Decatur County
3.Ford County
4.Graham County
5.Logan County
6.Norton County
7.Rawlins County
8.Sheridan County
9.Sherman County
10.Smith County
11.Stafford County
12.Thomas County
13.Trego County
14.Wallace County

Maryland
1.Allegany County

Minnesota
1.Olmsted County

Missouri
1.Macon County

Nebraska
1.Arthur County
2.Banner County
3.Box Butte County
4.Buffalo County
5.Cherry County
6.Cheyenne County
7.Custer County
8.Dawes County
9.Deuel County
10.Garden County
11.Grant County
12.Hall County
13.Hitchcock County
14.Holt County
15.Hooker County
16.Keith County
17.Kimball County
18.Lincoln County
19.Loup County
20.Morrill County
21.Red Willow County
22.Scotts Bluff County
23.Sheridan County
24.Sioux County

New Mexico
1.Dona Ana County
2.Otero County
3.Socorro County

New York
1.Oneida County

North Dakota
1.Grant County
2.Sioux County

South Dakota
1.Custer County
2.Fall River County
3.Lawrence County
4.Pennington County

Texas
1.El Paso County
2.Hudspeth County

Utah
1.Daggett County
2.Grand County
3.San Juan County
4.Sanpete County
5.Uintah County
6.Utah County

Virginia
1.Frederick County

West Virginia
1.Hampshire County
2.Hardy County

Wisconsin
1.Columbia County
2.Dane County
3.Grant County
4.Green County
5.Iowa County
6.Jefferson County
7.Kenosha County
8.Lafayette County
9.Richland County
10.Rock County
11.Sauk County
12.Walworth County
13.Washburn County

Wyoming
1.Albany County
2.Big Horn County
3.Carbon County
4.Converse County
5.Crook County
6.Goshen County
7.Hot Springs County
8.Johnson County
9.Laramie County
10.Lincoln County
11.Natrona County
12.Niobrara County
13.Platte County
14.Sheridan County
15.Washakie County
16.Weston County

Thus by July 19, 2012, we have had 121 counties in 17 states with reported CWD in free-ranging cervids.


You also seem to want to ignore the fact that the shelter in Kenosha could have been allowed to transport the fawn back to the state it came from, to the licensed rehab center. The shelter was not to blame that somebody from IL brought the deer to them. They took care of it while making arrangements to return it.

That certainly did not justify the Warden treating the investigation like a "drug bust."

You also seem to want to ignore the fact that the shelter has been repeatedly harassed, including by officials, ever since they refused to adopt a dog back out to the person who "got rid of it" in the first place.

The Warden's ham-handed, violent treatment of the shelter and the fawn they housed was over-the-top, wasteful of resources, mean-spirited, cruel, spiteful and totally unecessary. Killing the fawn did nothing to prevent the spread of CWD.

Have a nice day. I will not waste any more of my time arguing with somebody who pretends greater knowledge of a disease origination, spread, and endemic presence than the CDC that has been tracking it for nearly 50 years.



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Sadistic bastards newfie11 Aug 2013 #1
Crap like this is so over the top it's beyond words to describe ... of course, they RKP5637 Aug 2013 #2
Why didn't they communicate with these workers and find out that this animal was going to be put in midnight Aug 2013 #7
To me, they were authoritarians with guns and legalized power coming RKP5637 Aug 2013 #24
WTF!?!? PD Turk Aug 2013 #3
Shortly ---they will surface warrant46 Aug 2013 #5
killers Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #4
They have to do SOMETHING to justify all the quasi-military equipment truebluegreen Aug 2013 #6
^ This. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #53
A 'baby fawn'? Jenoch Aug 2013 #8
Yes, it was totally the fault of the people who wanted to help. LisaLynne Aug 2013 #9
The fawn was rescued due to the Jenoch Aug 2013 #12
and you know this because you were there? magical thyme Aug 2013 #15
I know this because I am familiar Jenoch Aug 2013 #18
Yeah so am I and you don't send in a swat team to kill bambi. Rex Aug 2013 #22
"U.S. Fish and Wildlife" for an 'abandoned' fawn? Jenoch Aug 2013 #23
Why not they do it all the time. Rex Aug 2013 #32
Are you calling me ignorant? Jenoch Aug 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Rex Aug 2013 #46
I probably should Jenoch Aug 2013 #47
Well it won't make you any friends on the internets. Rex Aug 2013 #48
I have done a lot of Jenoch Aug 2013 #49
Same here and you are right Rex Aug 2013 #51
It should have been sent to a wildlife rehabber to be raised for release. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #54
I hink the problem Jenoch Aug 2013 #56
Yes, they really over reacted Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #58
No, it should not have been. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #62
The point is it did not take a tactical squad unit to dispatch the deer. Rex Aug 2013 #67
it's debateable as to what the appropriate level of response Crepuscular Aug 2013 #70
Not really, not since usually one person can handle that task. Rex Aug 2013 #84
One person would be an inappropriate number Crepuscular Aug 2013 #85
No wrong, usually it only takes one person. Rex Aug 2013 #86
I deal with CO's and wildlife biologists on a regular basis Crepuscular Aug 2013 #90
A wildlife rehabber would have raised the deer, monitored it's health, Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #72
Releasing a deer which Crepuscular Aug 2013 #80
No logic Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #88
No logic Crepuscular Aug 2013 #89
I am a wildlife rehabber and know the laws in my area inside and out Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #91
What state are you licensed in? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #92
Was the fawn known to have CWD? N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #93
There is no way to know Crepuscular Aug 2013 #94
Why would it be wrong to release into the same area it was found in? GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #96
Because of the possibility Crepuscular Aug 2013 #100
if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved magical thyme Aug 2013 #10
Does do not 'abandon' their fawns. Jenoch Aug 2013 #13
maybe not, but they do sometimes get killed by accident. magical thyme Aug 2013 #14
If the doe was killed by a car, Jenoch Aug 2013 #17
No they do not but fawns do become orphans when something happens to the doe. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #55
highly unlikely Crepuscular Aug 2013 #59
well this deer didn't come from Wisconsin. The shelter is on the border. The deer was brought to the magical thyme Aug 2013 #60
The deer came from Illinois, correct? Crepuscular Aug 2013 #66
Yes. Furthermore, CWD spread outside of Wisconsin long ago. magical thyme Aug 2013 #68
You might want to study up on CWD. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #69
the shelter provided *temporary* shelter. Of course it wasn't planning to become a licensed deer magical thyme Aug 2013 #71
Don't need to thanks, Crepuscular Aug 2013 #79
the "out of date" CDC map is dated 2012 and makes clear that CDW originated in CO in 1960, magical thyme Aug 2013 #81
Yes, outdated Crepuscular Aug 2013 #82
Poster just wants to defend the DNR, which is silly Rex Aug 2013 #87
The Minnesota DNR Jenoch Aug 2013 #104
Yes, I realize that. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #108
Thanks for that information. Jenoch Aug 2013 #109
I don't know. Crepuscular Aug 2013 #110
Very unlikely the fawn was abandoned. The mother hides the fawn during the day. The fawn is well yellowcanine Aug 2013 #95
1. Irrevelent to the topic and 2. we don't know the details of why somebody thought she was magical thyme Aug 2013 #98
Your post said, " if the fawn was abandoned, as believed, she would have starved" yellowcanine Aug 2013 #99
Last year we had a fawn hit by a car, who mostly likely was following her mother across the road magical thyme Aug 2013 #101
Yeah DNR was wrong but so were the people who "rescued" the fawn. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #103
this thread is about the DNR's actions magical thyme Aug 2013 #111
And my opinion is that the thread is about more than just DNR's actions. yellowcanine Aug 2013 #112
"Shut up, idiot." is almost not the proper response. flvegan Aug 2013 #11
The only response here that says Jenoch Aug 2013 #21
Wow, do you have any compassion or empathy at all? Dont answer, it's rhetorical. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #19
What is your experience with wildlife in general and Jenoch Aug 2013 #20
So in a case like this where people interfered we should let nature take it's course and shoot the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #30
I don't know Jenoch Aug 2013 #31
That is not true. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #57
Many no kill shelters are not really set up to hold deer. Rex Aug 2013 #61
she was scheduled for transport to a licensed wildlife rehab center the next day, and DNR knew it magical thyme Aug 2013 #74
So these guys just had a hard on to kill it? snooper2 Aug 2013 #97
I totally agree. it should have been sent to a wildlife rehab center. Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #75
all of which is fucking IRRELEVENT to the fact that the fawn was to be transported to a licensed magical thyme Aug 2013 #64
Ah, it makes more sense now. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #73
Who called them? The NRA? Why bother? Something very wrong there. freshwest Aug 2013 #16
I agree... ACLU is doing a national investigation into these over the top uses of Swat responses... midnight Aug 2013 #77
Good, but I want to know who called. It was none of their business. freshwest Aug 2013 #78
Example #25,000,000 of why the militarization of law enforcement is an issue we need to deal with DefenseLawyer Aug 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Aug 2013 #26
This kind of stuff scares the shit out of me. leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #27
I am employed by a similar state agency. This kind of sick shit does not surprise me TwilightGardener Aug 2013 #28
Great! leftyladyfrommo Aug 2013 #29
Dispatching an assault team to deal with a fawn. We have a new definition of "cowardly." DirkGently Aug 2013 #34
My guess is there weren't there for the fawn but rather for what they deemed eco-terrorists HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #35
The "eco-terror" group "The Society of St. Francis?" That doesn't DirkGently Aug 2013 #36
I didn't see anything is -this- article, but there have been a handful of stories HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #38
Well I think that gets to part of the root problem -- DirkGently Aug 2013 #41
Keystone XL Activists Labeled Possible Eco-Terrorists in Internal TransCanada Documents HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #43
Exactly. This is why the blase attitude about the burgeoning "anti- DirkGently Aug 2013 #45
Yes they are cowards Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #106
Can anyone here think of any reason that LE is so anally anti-deer all the time? Doremus Aug 2013 #37
They don't care for dogs much either damnedifIknow Aug 2013 #40
Beat me to it. What's with all the dog murder? DirkGently Aug 2013 #42
the wisconsin dnr pulled their facbook page rdking647 Aug 2013 #39
I sent the warden an email magical thyme Aug 2013 #76
Fucking pigs... 99Forever Aug 2013 #44
I have always been VERY proud of my Wisconsin roots Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #50
As a person from North Carolina, I'd like to give you a great big hug of understanding. NCarolinawoman Aug 2013 #65
We're in the same boat for sure! Greybnk48 Aug 2013 #83
This is fucked up and sick. Period. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2013 #52
Look no further than the wacko who heads the WDNR. Release The Hounds Aug 2013 #63
Stupid, meet Crazy. We'd like you to take orders from Mean. nt valerief Aug 2013 #102
Perfect. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #113
Way over-the-top action by WDNR. This could have been Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #105
If you're in Wisconsin, stop by the Wisconsin state fair and let the DNR know.... midnight Aug 2013 #107
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