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hack89

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15. So lets talk due process

Wed Feb 22, 2012, 06:13 PM

Feb 2012

when an American citizen removes himself from our jurisdiction, joins a group dedicated to waging war against America and its citizens, and is in an area where the host country is unable or unwilling to arrest him for us, what remedy is left?

How do we exercise due process in the Pakistani Tribal Areas, for example?

And here is a more subtle variation - what if our intended target is not an American but a known foreign terrorist. But an American is riding in the car as a body guard. Do we not shoot to protect the American? Or do we shoot and consider him unlucky?

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America has decided it has the right to kill anyone anywhere, any time. [View all] The Northerner Feb 2012 OP

Pretty much. It's now become like, "Who's gonna stop us?" sinkingfeeling Feb 2012 #1

America has decided it has the right to kill anyone anywhere, any time... bvar22 Feb 2012 #2

I was outraged when Bush was doing it and I'm still outraged, so who are all these Democrats sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #8

Who are the democrats? Loyalists. Apologists. Fanatics. Etc. LooseWilly Feb 2012 #28

Great powers, and especially superpowers, do whatever is necessary to protect their indepat Feb 2012 #10

Wouldn't a fairer comparison be to what the reaction would have been in late 2001, not 2000? onenote Feb 2012 #3

Yes, go back to those years when Bush was president and most Democrats were opposed to sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #9

More hyperbole. Most Democrats (and most Americans) don't support "killing people anywhere anytime." onenote Feb 2012 #12

Hyberbole? I guess you weren't around when Bush's use of drones was first revealed. sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #14

Difference is: He may be a bastard, but he's OUR bastard. TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #23

We've been doing it for at least 50 years. banned from Kos Feb 2012 #4

When it comes right down to it, doesn't every country? treestar Feb 2012 #5

I keep trying gratuitous Feb 2012 #6

So lets talk due process hack89 Feb 2012 #15

Your premise seems . . . flawed gratuitous Feb 2012 #16

Individuals join groups that wage war hack89 Feb 2012 #17

So declare war honestly and bring the rule of law to those places. TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #27

We did hack89 Feb 2012 #30

So Congress passed a resolution for war while we weren't looking? TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #34

I was paying attention. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #36

Do we need to see charges before going off to some other country and killing someone? sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #24

RULE OF LAW! Anthing else is ANARCHY, and I have the right... TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #25

There are places in the world where there is no law. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #26

AND? In your humble opinion the solution is to extend lawlessness... TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #29

As Kings of the world, America has decided to play tin pot dictator quinnox Feb 2012 #7

Here's the thing... YellowRubberDuckie Feb 2012 #11

It used to be that liberal Democrats defended the right to first be charged with a crime, sad sally Feb 2012 #13

I am so over it with drones quaker bill Feb 2012 #18

77% of "liberal" Democrats aren't liberal. provis99 Feb 2012 #19

... quinnox Feb 2012 #21

Overpaid. Oversexed. And over here. TheMadMonk Feb 2012 #20

I think it's always been that way. MrSlayer Feb 2012 #22

That's pretty much what happens in a war, its nothing new bhikkhu Feb 2012 #31

If you think Barack Obama is wrong for allowing this to happen, you are racist. renie408 Feb 2012 #32

Only Nixon could go to China and only Obama could assassinate Americans. nt Bonobo Feb 2012 #33

Same as it ever was. Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #35

Shock-n-Awe got root Feb 2012 #37