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TxGrandpa

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49. I'm sure that Snowden knew that it wouldn't do any good...

Sun Aug 4, 2013, 05:26 PM

Aug 2013

..if he had went to Wyden or anyone with the files he had downloaded based on what has happened to other whistleblowers. Could we suppose that someone in Clapper's office dropped the ball and didn't relay the Senator's question to him so he would be prepared? It still comes back to that it seems as if NSA is the ones doing the oversight instead of Congress. Instead it seems they dictate to Congress what it can do.

No based on what has been published and what we have heard, I would be willing to believe Wyden's version. My take is that Feinstein, Clapper and others have gotten the attitude that we are just supposed to take their word, even with all that has come out about the NSA's overreach. In other words it seems that we the citizenry have no right to know what our government is doing.

Wyden is to be commended for standing up for the Constitution. Look at the Representatives and Senators we have here in Texas!!!!

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Sen. Saxby Chambliss makes jaw-dropping accusation against Senator Ron Wyden [View all] kentuck Aug 2013 OP

Freedom of inquiry, let alone speech, doesn't extend to Senators who step off the Reservation. Octafish Aug 2013 #1

What type of pressure do you think they will try to put on Wyden? kentuck Aug 2013 #2

Apart from Udall and a couple others, I can't imagine the weight the guy must be under... Octafish Aug 2013 #6

I fear for Sen Wyden. As I have said before, I believe this is where the ruling cabal will draw the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #33

Drove across Ohio and West Virginia recently... Octafish Aug 2013 #36

That's good to hear. Tell me this. Do you buy into the best of evils theory? Will you support rhett o rick Aug 2013 #38

I'm a Democrat since 1976... Octafish Aug 2013 #42

Remember, Hillary was the shoe-in in '08 too 7962 Aug 2013 #44

She was until Wall Street found someone even more eager to serve their interests BrotherIvan Aug 2013 #92

Agree mtasselin Aug 2013 #68

I am with you! Most of the Democrats in Washington answer to the same owners as the Republicans! Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #89

The Fox propaganda machine can only do so much... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #65

Chambliss = Fuckturd!...eom. Segami Aug 2013 #3

Chambliss = total douchebag traitor lark Aug 2013 #5

Aw, just call him Sackless Warpy Aug 2013 #13

OK..that just makes me lol...see my post below w8liftinglady Aug 2013 #17

Please edit that hootinholler Aug 2013 #15

prefix Fuck is not offensive lobodons Aug 2013 #29

You're fucking kidding me... ? Seeing as how "fucktard" IS NOT an actual word... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #41

except for accidentally telling the truth yurbud Aug 2013 #79

A good attorney always knows the answer to the question before they ask. dballance Aug 2013 #4

I think Wyden is one of the best. kentuck Aug 2013 #7

I wish Di Feinstein had half the decency of truedelphi Aug 2013 #70

Disgusting GlashFordan Aug 2013 #8

Basically... kentuck Aug 2013 #9

Meanwhile, he and all of the other goppers Boomerproud Aug 2013 #67

"praying hard that something along the line of 9/11 happens"? It doesn't just HAPPEN. chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #82

At this point, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #83

You might recall how Saxby Chambliss treated Max Cleland Fumesucker Aug 2013 #10

The people of John2 Aug 2013 #12

Be careful using this line of reasoning. mick063 Aug 2013 #47

I would have kicked Chambliss in his non-existent nutsack then. w8liftinglady Aug 2013 #16

Perhaps Saxby Chambliss should change his name to Saxby Shameless. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #28

yes, he is. Though he is at least pulling back the curtain on DC here a bit. NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #87

Congress is supposed to have oversight of NSA, but... TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #11

It is called the tail wagging the dog. nt avebury Aug 2013 #22

Scary right? dkf Aug 2013 #39

I believe Wyden did not want to be accused of ambushing Clapper. reusrename Aug 2013 #46

I'm sure that Snowden knew that it wouldn't do any good... TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #49

I agree, and I think Obama is also taking their word for everything. reusrename Aug 2013 #50

If Obama isn't aware by now will he ever be? TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #52

he's more than aware fascisthunter Aug 2013 #66

For the public hearings, questions are generally pre-approved for intel agencies Recursion Aug 2013 #56

so it really was kabuki theater. nt Javaman Aug 2013 #14

Yes. Rex Aug 2013 #24

It pretty much all is. nt matthews Aug 2013 #30

Senator Max Clellen chuckstevens Aug 2013 #18

they probably did not vote for him questionseverything Aug 2013 #54

Saxby Chambliss is one of the lowest of the low. Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #19

That, sir, is an offensive insult--to shit! lastlib Aug 2013 #21

Thumbs up! TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #25

"Any turd of mine or my dog's would be challenging you to a duel over that." Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #94

k and r nashville_brook Aug 2013 #20

Of course they did! What do you expect from a body of idiots Rex Aug 2013 #23

+ 1,000 cantbeserious Aug 2013 #27

About a month ago I asked Ron Wyden a question. Ron Green Aug 2013 #26

As you know, Ron frequently has townhall meetings statewide. classof56 Aug 2013 #43

As a fellow Oregonian condoleeza Aug 2013 #75

Unfortunately I strongly believe very little gets through that's unscripted these days. stillwaiting Aug 2013 #31

Bravo for Wyden, his hands are tied, his mouth likewise, and yet he continues to try to get heard Coyotl Aug 2013 #32

Treason nradisic Aug 2013 #34

I believe it was obvious that's what happened. Gen Clapper was caught off guard and had to rhett o rick Aug 2013 #35

+1000 dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #80

Interesting accusation 90-percent Aug 2013 #37

I believe the answer is political traction mick063 Aug 2013 #48

Mr. Mint Julep is the lowest of the low. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #40

Surprise surprise Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #45

What I find interesting about this story is that meathead thinks he is exposing Wyden rhett o rick Aug 2013 #51

MTP Video here: Catherina Aug 2013 #53

Chambliss at about 11:00 minute mark... kentuck Aug 2013 #57

Umm... how do people think the public hearings about classified programs work? Recursion Aug 2013 #55

Why do they have public hearings? kentuck Aug 2013 #58

Because some of the information is public Recursion Aug 2013 #59

It is true that Congress sort of ignored the lie by Clapper. kentuck Aug 2013 #60

Senators do this from time to time Recursion Aug 2013 #61

I would say the people have a right to know also if... kentuck Aug 2013 #62

I'm guessing NSA screwed that pooch already Recursion Aug 2013 #63

You may be right? kentuck Aug 2013 #64

absolutely grasswire Aug 2013 #72

"you guys" Skittles Aug 2013 #73

Time for someone to go home to Georgia. blackspade Aug 2013 #69

And Wyden has immunity from prosecution because he was speaking in the Senate. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #71

Hurray for Sen. Wyden! Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #74

If nobody has posted this link yet from today's Meet the Press, here it is condoleeza Aug 2013 #76

How could Sen. Wyden had gone off script if he sent Clapper the questions beforehand? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #77

The Gov't wouldn't lie to us, blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #78

I just found a link to this article post on BuzzFlash.com unhappycamper Aug 2013 #81

Here is my answer rtracey Aug 2013 #84

TERM LIMITS!!! TERM LIMITS!!! TERM LIMITS!!!! TERM LIMITS!!! Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #86

Then you would have only had another lobbyist toadie instead of Wyden who didn't ask the question... cascadiance Aug 2013 #91

I agree with what you said, Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #93

public financing donquijoterocket Aug 2013 #97

I watched him spew Mosaic Aug 2013 #85

If only more Senators were going off script. LWolf Aug 2013 #88

I'm shocked. Do you mean our representational government is a false front librechik Aug 2013 #90

Isn't Saxby's a chicken joint? Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #95

Great assessment: "The Senate and the NSA both had the intent to deceive the public." 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #96