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Divernan

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5. Obama took Single Payer off the table w/out the Repubs. even asking him to!

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Mon Aug 5, 2013, 06:43 AM

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ObamaCare�s Relentless Creation of Second-Class Citizens (5) [View all] HiPointDem Aug 2013 OP

And exactly how did the previous US healthcare system promote equality? intaglio Aug 2013 #1

^^^this^^^ Freddie Aug 2013 #3

After looking at Cryptoad Aug 2013 #15

Sorry it's still described as the weakest go to the wall. This plan propped up the insurance Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #4

Had it not been for the obstructionist GOP the plan would have been quite different Major Nikon Aug 2013 #6

I'm not putting it all on Obama I understand the separation of powers Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #8

It was President Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress who killed the public option. eomer Aug 2013 #77

Isn't it time to retire the false dilemma from the grab-bag of political bullshit? Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #11

It is not a "False" dilemma intaglio Aug 2013 #54

The false dilemma is that the only option to this corporate welfare program is nothing. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #65

I cannot cure willful ignorance intaglio Aug 2013 #70

You should look to your own rather impressive ignorance. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #73

So no refutations? intaglio Aug 2013 #74

You've said nothing that requires any refutation. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #78

Fantasy? Nothing worth refuting? intaglio Aug 2013 #79

How on earth do you get to bitchkitty Aug 2013 #19

Because posts like this are just temper tantrums intaglio Aug 2013 #55

Well, thanks for putting me in my place. bitchkitty Aug 2013 #62

I asked you to correct your accusation intaglio Aug 2013 #63

The OP isn't constructive, leaves out "none at all" perspectives and premise that NOTHING can be ... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #57

Their answer to everything is always "Medicare for all...." cbdo2007 Aug 2013 #40

Unfortunately "gradualism" is a dirty word to the far left n/t intaglio Aug 2013 #56

Making everyone buy insurance from the private sector is not a road to single-payer; it's a HiPointDem Aug 2013 #84

Ignoring the foolishness if your assertion about private insurance, intaglio Aug 2013 #87

japanese system is not 'based upon private insurance funds,' for starters. other huge HiPointDem Aug 2013 #88

Nor is the german system based on private health insurance: HiPointDem Aug 2013 #90

your extensive wiki-ing states that the coverage is only guaranteed by the state intaglio Aug 2013 #92

wrong. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #93

They are private companies intaglio Aug 2013 #94

they aren't private 'companies'. private companies compete in a marketplace on price points HiPointDem Aug 2013 #95

They are 'private companies' like the Freemasons are a 'private company' HiPointDem Aug 2013 #100

It didn't: which is why we didn't need the ACA which mandates that we buy into that system GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #67

K&R If only someone could've predicted this, then. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #2

Obama took Single Payer off the table w/out the Repubs. even asking him to! Divernan Aug 2013 #5

Which followed Speaker Pelosi keeping it off the agenda and the floor for Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #9

Lieberman (Senator from Aetna) was never going to vote for it. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #10

I think you are talking about Al Gore's 2000 Vice Presidential running mate Fumesucker Aug 2013 #29

Who also campaigned against Obama, and for McCain, in 2008. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #30

The point being that a lot of liberals groked Holy Joe in 2000 Fumesucker Aug 2013 #34

You are one of the few who find the Bush years funny. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #42

No, I find you defending Lieberman hilarious Fumesucker Aug 2013 #43

When did I defend Lieberman? Never. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #44

Then what are we arguing about? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #45

You and the Teabaggers keep on rooting for it to fail. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #21

Call me all the names you like, you've made it clear that's all you've got. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #27

Maybe you can lobby your Congressman for the 41st Repeal Vote. Rejectionism is all you got. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #38

If not for your name calling and arguing with yourself by pretending that people said things you Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #48

Its working already ... and driving some crazy as a result. nt JoePhilly Aug 2013 #31

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2013 #58

Oh shit! Are we back to Tinkerbell croaking if we don't clap hard enough? JVS Aug 2013 #89

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #7

Someone sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #12

Geeze, I'd have preferred to do nothing than to get the advances we did groundloop Aug 2013 #13

So it's your life or your wallet? nolabels Aug 2013 #24

The serious question is whether the overall NET effect is "advances" Jim Lane Aug 2013 #25

So you think NO health insurance is better than expensive?! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #59

(1) Sometimes, yes. (2) Anyway, that isn't the right question. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #64

Two excellent posts you made here dreamnightwind Aug 2013 #75

The 1% comes first with Obama. Not the rest of us. Our health is secondary to forestpath Aug 2013 #14

Yeah, that Medicaid expansion was a complete giveaway to the rich. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #17

You should know all about that. forestpath Aug 2013 #20

I'm not the one rooting for Obamacare to fail and helping sabotage it. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #22

Expressing an opinion is not sabotage and such defensive hyperbole only forestpath Aug 2013 #23

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #37

+1 MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #68

Do you know where Aroostook county is? geek tragedy Aug 2013 #16

Didja miss this part? progressoid Aug 2013 #28

Did healthcare cost the same before the ACA? geek tragedy Aug 2013 #35

And the USPS will be a fond memory because of just that attitude Fumesucker Aug 2013 #46

That's kind of the point of having a larger pool isn't it? progressoid Aug 2013 #47

yeah, they'd much rather subsidize the insurance business HiPointDem Aug 2013 #86

the biggest city in aroostoock county is 2.5 hours from bangor maine = less time HiPointDem Aug 2013 #81

I saw those Debates, John2 Aug 2013 #18

right wing apologists attacking president Obama again sigmasix Aug 2013 #26

When you can snatch the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper Fumesucker Aug 2013 #32

What do you expect from the "kill the bill" ProSense Aug 2013 #33

Oh, lambert strether is a full blown PUMA psycho who hates Obama. This is not a surprise. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #36

+1, please make this an OP... uponit7771 Aug 2013 #60

Obamacare is a rightwing policy. Ask Romney, McCain, Bush... leftstreet Aug 2013 #39

"If Obamacare passed during any of those administrations, DU would shit itself blind" ProSense Aug 2013 #41

Unfortunatly, progressoid Aug 2013 #52

GOPers love that 'Tax and Spend Democrats' crap leftstreet Aug 2013 #71

+1 MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #69

ask the heritage foundation, because that's where it came from. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #91

given the nature of your relentless Obama bashing Sheepshank Aug 2013 #49

Talk about ignoring reality. This article compares Obamacare to a system that was never in place. Mass Aug 2013 #50

And in all the furious name-calling not one mention of the point the article makes. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Mass Aug 2013 #53

Fill an article full of sophistry then wonder why no one takes it seriously?! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #61

I never said I wondered at the constant attempts to talk about anything but the post. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #66

We have to get insurance companies out of our health care system! liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #72

Where does insurance companies get that it costs more to deliver health care in rural areas? B Calm Aug 2013 #76

From the fact that it does, I assume. It does for Medicare, too (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #83

what are those more expensive things? salaries are comparable. Equipment is carried into HiPointDem Aug 2013 #85

Seriously? Recursion Aug 2013 #96

so the difference is ambulance costs on unpaved roads? (btw, lots of places designated 'rural' HiPointDem Aug 2013 #97

Sigh. Recursion Aug 2013 #98

Sigh. I live in a small town, & we are surrounded by officially designated rural area, but most HiPointDem Aug 2013 #99

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #80

It's such a fucking nightmare, but wait! Our resident soothsayers KNOW that it will be a smashing Safetykitten Aug 2013 #82

I have an autistic child. bravenak Aug 2013 #101