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Le Taz Hot

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139. I never claimed to speak for anyone.

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 08:08 AM

Aug 2013

It's just that I'm around a lot of progressives, including myself, and I'm just letting you know what most of them are telling me. As for Hillary "beating all comers?" In the primary? Probably because the Party Machine is behind her and I'd like to know why the Party Loyal won't address THAT issue -- that is, why The Party Machine won't stay out of the primaries until the candidate is chosen by the People.

Polls this early out are meaningless.

Sorry, TD, but I have to laugh at your assumption that Barack Obama was somehow different than Hillary Clinton politically. They are politically identical in their love everything corporate and their hatred of the Left.

And you ends with the Nader dog whistle. Certainly you can do better than that.

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"16 Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Will Win 2016" [View all] applegrove Aug 2013 OP

Plus, she's reliably a Third Way/Wall Street CONSERVATIVE Warpy Aug 2013 #1

Third way is "Half Republican and Half Democrat" AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #3

sure is, and that's why I didn't support him Warpy Aug 2013 #4

If a repuke wins it will be the fault of those who pushed for her candidacy... L0oniX Aug 2013 #109

Well, let's hope the primary season produces one. Warpy Aug 2013 #113

How excruciating will Chris Matthews be, starting pretty soon? brewens Aug 2013 #127

And the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer, and democracy in America will continue Cal33 Aug 2013 #137

translation of number 5 hfojvt Aug 2013 #2

1. a popular nostalgic figure who reminds people of the "good times" whose mixture of Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #5

Hillary is a superstar. If somebody else applegrove Aug 2013 #6

someone who will blithely screw working class voters. cali Aug 2013 #11

All these "it's inevitable" declarations make me think she wants to be sure she has winter is coming Aug 2013 #41

They are doing it now because they can... WCGreen Aug 2013 #76

campaign as a democrat, govern as a "moderate republican" where have we heard that one before? nt msongs Aug 2013 #7

UGH DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #8

Not psy ops. I am thrilled Hillary is a applegrove Aug 2013 #9

I hope so, but DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #10

cause she rocks!!!!!!!! Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #12

3rd Way DINO's rock? RC Aug 2013 #13

she is a dem....one of us Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #15

She's way too far right for me. Another DINO. Scuba Aug 2013 #17

You belive that? ceonupe Aug 2013 #27

She may be a "Dem", but that does not make her one of us. RC Aug 2013 #29

So all the republicans will vote for her? AlinPA Aug 2013 #68

That's binary thinking. RC Aug 2013 #77

I love that graphic. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #47

Enough already. mattclearing Aug 2013 #14

I agree davidpdx Aug 2013 #16

i won't surprised if she runs. mattclearing Aug 2013 #28

Re: "America just isn't that into her" we have these things called polls... stevenleser Aug 2013 #44

Favorable impression does not neccesarily translate to "I want her for Pres" peacebird Aug 2013 #102

david, I know you have said this repeatedly. I'm curious...why do you think antigop Aug 2013 #51

I think age and the fact that both have been involved in politics for so long davidpdx Aug 2013 #67

ok, thanks. nt antigop Aug 2013 #70

She also didn't think Obama would run customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #30

It's too early to speculate. mattclearing Aug 2013 #35

And yet the polls show RudynJack Aug 2013 #56

Agreed customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #60

You know as well as I do that polls three years out are meaningless. mattclearing Aug 2013 #71

I never said anything RudynJack Aug 2013 #72

Except the 2008 election. n/t mattclearing Aug 2013 #87

Really? RudynJack Aug 2013 #88

Have fun at the Inauguration, then. n/t mattclearing Aug 2013 #90

Great snotty response RudynJack Aug 2013 #93

You haven't backed up anything you've said. mattclearing Aug 2013 #94

The polls regarding Hillary RudynJack Aug 2013 #96

Again, you've responded with nothing. n/t mattclearing Aug 2013 #97

You made the idiotic claim RudynJack Aug 2013 #106

Already did. mattclearing Aug 2013 #124

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #126

I'm an American tazkcmo Aug 2013 #128

They've only had one shot with her customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #59

what might stop her is the investigation of the State Dept (under Hillary) Whisp Aug 2013 #58

Could be customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #61

this was interesting AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #73

Why would she be embarrassed about Weiner???? Beacool Aug 2013 #80

Her power base became NY after Bill's presidency customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #122

Weiner is a cooked, well, weiner. Beacool Aug 2013 #133

Agreed customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #135

You're bad......... Beacool Aug 2013 #140

She was super angry at him for running. joshcryer Aug 2013 #92

I agree with everything you said customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #123

A reason to not vote for her tazkcmo Aug 2013 #129

Indeed, that was noted at the time. joshcryer Aug 2013 #130

Wrong. 99Forever Aug 2013 #18

If Someone's Gonna Stop Her... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #19

Yes, and the only Dem who is even making squeaks about running against her is Biden. MoonRiver Aug 2013 #20

Ya Mean... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #21

I love Elizabeth, and hope Hillary chooses her as VP! MoonRiver Aug 2013 #24

I Kinda Like Her Where She Is... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #25

That works for me too! MoonRiver Aug 2013 #26

Well, that's the thing. Who is gearing up right now to challenge her? No one. Nay Aug 2013 #38

A Lot Depends On Who Controls... KharmaTrain Aug 2013 #43

I love this 'all of you better start accepting the inevitable' movement Union Scribe Aug 2013 #22

it's called the bandwagon fallacy markiv Aug 2013 #85

I love the way her negatives are just sort of not mentioned here. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #23

And the Repukes won't feel that way about any of our other nominees? customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #31

No, they won't. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #34

Tell me customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #63

Please feel free to bookmark this thread. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #74

Who do you think can beat her? Notafraidtoo Aug 2013 #78

Jeb Bush or Chris Christie. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #81

So what your saying so-called progressives... Historic NY Aug 2013 #103

Here's a thought. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #105

standing ovation for your post, Le Taz. You are correct. antigop Aug 2013 #114

Anyone who would not vote for Hillary customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #121

" +1" to the "inevitability"meme counter. nt antigop Aug 2013 #125

You guys need to learn how to debate Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #138

I love the way you presume to speak for "progressives". Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #132

I never claimed to speak for anyone. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #139

Can you please point out in my post where I claimed BHO was "somehow different" than HRC? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #141

You know, when someone uses Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #145

Having read the extreme rhetoric contained in your initial post, I think you were pretty much done.. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #146

If you actually believe that Jeb Bush customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #119

I don't believe it but I'll pass anyway. tazkcmo Aug 2013 #131

Oh, no, csg. There's a LOOOONG history of Hillary hate in the RW. Vince Foster, travelgate, etc., Nay Aug 2013 #39

It motivates the reich wing customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #64

Nope Duckhunter935 Aug 2013 #32

Careful... brooklynite Aug 2013 #36

fuck off then Mr. David Aug 2013 #45

"Third Party Here I Come" brooklynite Aug 2013 #49

In the meantime Mr. David Aug 2013 #50

"When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism" L0oniX Aug 2013 #108

It's reason #6 than matters most Proud Public Servant Aug 2013 #33

Jeb or Rubio could move VA, too. I live here, and the idea that this is a purple state Nay Aug 2013 #40

I agree, but that's what makes it purple Proud Public Servant Aug 2013 #55

I will not support her..... Logical Aug 2013 #37

Listen up Myra Adams of "The Daily Beast" mick063 Aug 2013 #42

Go Hillary! Scurrilous Aug 2013 #46

Is this the same Hillary that backed Bush's wars and Obama's drones? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #48

the same Hillary who said there are "advantages" to outsourcing US jobs to India antigop Aug 2013 #52

the same Hillary who played a leading part in drafting the TPP antigop Aug 2013 #53

the same Hillary who threw US tech workers under the bus antigop Aug 2013 #54

sitting alone in the dark, selling out citizens markiv Aug 2013 #86

I can't say I won't vote for her in the general election tularetom Aug 2013 #57

Manipulation. I'm feeling it. I wonder if Hillary is as well. LiberalAndProud Aug 2013 #62

it's called the "inevitability" meme. nt antigop Aug 2013 #83

she won't get my vote. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #65

17th Reason GOP women will vote for her, but not tell vinny9698 Aug 2013 #66

I really hope your prediction is correct, MoonRiver Aug 2013 #69

There is NO candidate the far left will be happy with. Even when they think they're happy (Obama, Metric System Aug 2013 #75

The far left (that would be me) Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #95

I can't conceive of Warren easily winning the general election. Obama is already portrayed by the Metric System Aug 2013 #117

How the media treats her will be pretty much predestined. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #118

And one possible reason why she won't win. longship Aug 2013 #79

Ahhh, all the hand wringing. Beacool Aug 2013 #82

she may win, but i wont vote for her, period markiv Aug 2013 #84

Then vote for whichever Bagger is the Republican nominee. Beacool Aug 2013 #89

No Bagger. mick063 Aug 2013 #91

In the general election? Beacool Aug 2013 #99

I will not be extorted from threat of GOP victory. mick063 Aug 2013 #104

I'm not extorting you. Beacool Aug 2013 #111

any you are comfy with a GOP president DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #134

if you think that attitude wins support markiv Aug 2013 #98

Hey, you're talking to someone who's no fan of Obama. Beacool Aug 2013 #100

you know, i'm getting sick and tired of the 'BUT THE REPUBLICANS!!!!!' markiv Aug 2013 #101

The same goes for you as for the other poster. Beacool Aug 2013 #112

You think that this is a threat that will work any longer? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #142

What threat? Beacool Aug 2013 #143

I won't vote for her either nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #144

The banksters want to make sure they will remain in control. Rah rah ...go Hillary! L0oniX Aug 2013 #107

Boink. Scurrilous Aug 2013 #110

Wasn't most of this said of her 3 years before the 2008 primary? hughee99 Aug 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #147

I really hope she doesn't win. Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #116

I can't believe the DLC/Third Way apparatchiks are gearing up so fucking early TransitJohn Aug 2013 #120

The only way I'd vote for Hillary is B Calm Aug 2013 #136