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JoePhilly

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42. You are one of the few who find the Bush years funny.

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:50 AM

Aug 2013

Lieberman was, and is, all about Lieberman. Period.

As for Nader, folks debate his impact on the 2000 elections. Meh.

Nader is like lots of folks on the far left, screams a lot, gets little to nothing done.

Which returns us to my point. Nader, as usual, is irrelevant in the discussion of Single Payer or Lieberman's role.

Lieberman was a Senator (Nadar, nothing). A Senator who campaigned against against Obama. A Senator who was covering for the Insurance Lobby, forever. And he was a Senator who was not going to run again.

So Lieberman's reason for being against Single Payer was not all about personal animus on his part and I in fact made no such claim. The animus simply made it just that much easier for Lieberman to get some for Lieberman.

Lieberman was, and is, all about Lieberman.

And now, Lieberman is collecting his payoff over at the AEI.

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You are one of the few who find the Bush years funny. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #42

No, I find you defending Lieberman hilarious Fumesucker Aug 2013 #43

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