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randome

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32. "Some experts say". That's not much to go on regarding something that's been in use for decades now.

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:00 AM

Aug 2013

Evidence is evidence. And when it's evidence against a murderer, we all tend to give more weight to LE.

If you were on a jury, would you vote to throw out all evidence because it was obtained in a secondary manner instead of a primary?
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DEA Agents Are Told To Cover Up Spying Program Used Against Americans [View all] xchrom Aug 2013 OP

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #1

that awkward moment when you see it's really worse than you'd imagined. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #2

The Minions will be here shortly to tell us all that this is actually a good thing Fumesucker Aug 2013 #3

i think they've worn themselves out on this one. lots of confusion that this isn't a fake scandal... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4

They have certainly worn out my tolerance for spin and bullshit Fumesucker Aug 2013 #6

+10000000 - you and many others :) nashville_brook Aug 2013 #61

Maybe they are still off from the weekend. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #19

i was starting to wonder if they're on recess. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #62

OBEY!!! nt. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #67

So any supporters here of the surveillance state want to continue defending this bullshit? davidn3600 Aug 2013 #5

Your strawman doesn't exist on DU. nt tridim Aug 2013 #7

Anything to say about the OP? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #11

I agree. No progressive would defend this BS. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #8

Unless they are being re defined. zeemike Aug 2013 #10

Let the weasel speak begin. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #15

It is beyond the realm of possibility that these programs will NOT be used Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #9

That is certainly consistent with what we've learned in the Chicago area. We never have AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #12

it's all for the greater good, blah blah blah NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #13

So creating alternate realities passes for justice now? Pholus Aug 2013 #14

SOD program is another secret.... midnight Aug 2013 #16

Is this one of those super-secret programs whose details can be kept from Congress? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #17

They are undated documents and Reuters doesn't say how they obtained them. randome Aug 2013 #18

Why do you hate The Constitution? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #21

Isn't this the same thing when an organized crime boss is taken down? randome Aug 2013 #23

No, it's not. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #70

From TFA Pholus Aug 2013 #24

"Some experts say". That's not much to go on regarding something that's been in use for decades now. randome Aug 2013 #32

As the investigative process is part of the evidence, Pholus Aug 2013 #36

The DEA isn't so much protecting us from terrorists as from drug cartels. randome Aug 2013 #38

No, it isn't. Pholus Aug 2013 #40

You really should be better informed by now Fumesucker Aug 2013 #41

Regarding marijuana, I mostly agree with you. randome Aug 2013 #43

Alcohol is "hard stuff" by those standards Fumesucker Aug 2013 #45

And it doesn't appear ProSense Aug 2013 #25

Let me help you out a bit... Pholus Aug 2013 #27

What is that? ProSense Aug 2013 #29

From TFA, part 2. Pholus Aug 2013 #31

That still has nothing to do with the point. ProSense Aug 2013 #34

Really. Your point seemed to be... Pholus Aug 2013 #42

Oh brother. ProSense Aug 2013 #48

Why not? You're ignoring them. Pholus Aug 2013 #49

What does 2+2=? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #69

The claim is that the DEA is lying even to prosecutors about where they get evidence Fumesucker Aug 2013 #28

Plus it is hard to miss this paragraph Rex Aug 2013 #30

What in the world are you talking about? Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #33

SOD has been in operation since 1994. randome Aug 2013 #35

It is egregious Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #37

I agree that can be a very serious problem. randome Aug 2013 #39

"So long as the evidence is strong enough, does it matter whether it came from route A or route B?" Marr Aug 2013 #44

Fuck yes it matters. My god, you are becoming more transparent. morningfog Aug 2013 #66

And like good little fascist, the DEA does it without a second thought. Rex Aug 2013 #20

At least some prosecutors "get it" based on the article... Pholus Aug 2013 #22

Kick LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #26

WAPO: "The NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA. And the DEA is covering it up." Catherina Aug 2013 #46

Funny how no one seems to ask the central question about NSA/DEA cooperation. randome Aug 2013 #47

Has the DEA made that argument? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #50

No, the DEA has not said that. randome Aug 2013 #52

Agendas differ Fumesucker Aug 2013 #53

I think that's a good point. randome Aug 2013 #54

"report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance" ProSense Aug 2013 #51

The Problem of Ignorance: The Decline of Critical Thinking Zorra Aug 2013 #55

Reuters: How DEA program differs from recent NSA revelations ProSense Aug 2013 #57

Make up your mind. "nothing to do" with the metadata program? or "we dont know"? David Krout Aug 2013 #59

The person responsible for bring this information forward is a traitor!!!! AppleBottom Aug 2013 #56

And this kiddies, is how a *police state* nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58

I rarely agree with you, nadin- but you are 100% correct on this one. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60

what nadin said nashville_brook Aug 2013 #64

Rachel just covered this malaise Aug 2013 #63

Continuity in policy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #65

Yep totally stopping the terrorist on American soil. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #68