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Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:56 AM

Aug 2013

Snowden is NOT a whistle blower per the law and the original article says he is. The article does this by ignoring parts of the law. That is simple fact.

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ACLU: Edward Snowden is a Whistleblower [View all] Catherina Aug 2013 OP

I would for once want to see the ACLU and company shawn703 Aug 2013 #1

That's not the ACLU's job. progressoid Aug 2013 #4

Sure it is shawn703 Aug 2013 #15

The article didn't address the alleged disclosures to China and Russia NuclearDem Aug 2013 #17

But read the article again ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #69

Of course he doesn't meet the US definition of whistleblower NuclearDem Aug 2013 #70

okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #86

No it's not. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #95

Then ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #108

What disclosure to China and russia are you talking about? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #83

The fact that Whistle Blowers break laws, which generally happens, as in Manning's case, after sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #28

Oh sabrina1 tblue Aug 2013 #54

Yes Sabrina..... First thing I was taught in political science 101... Who knew I would be on a blog midnight Aug 2013 #58

Well said. Ash_F Aug 2013 #64

+1000 blackspade Aug 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author totodeinhere Aug 2013 #23

Please give us the details of the "disclosures" that you claim.... bvar22 Aug 2013 #41

Ok press shawn703 Aug 2013 #46

Your failed attempt to Move the Goal Posts has been noted. bvar22 Aug 2013 #48

So you would support such a leak shawn703 Aug 2013 #49

But NewThinkingChance40 Aug 2013 #52

Here you go shawn703 Aug 2013 #56

Your article failed to identify any machines that were actually tergeted? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #101

So is your claim that information released by Snowden is all supposition with no facts? shawn703 Aug 2013 #102

No not really. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #103

Which part do you say is supposition? shawn703 Aug 2013 #105

Which specific IP address and machines again? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #110

Come on now shawn703 Aug 2013 #115

There's a problem when claims lack evidence. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #117

I suspect you're just trolling me at this point shawn703 Aug 2013 #118

It's your claim not mine, I don't need to prove your accusations AppleBottom Aug 2013 #119

Avoiding the question I see. N/T shawn703 Aug 2013 #120

One more time, as ignoring this is high art around here Benton D Struckcheon Aug 2013 #77

Should they wrap it with a bow for you too? :-/ n/t DeSwiss Aug 2013 #63

Or better (worse) ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #68

Snowden is Pootie Poot's boy now. tridim Aug 2013 #2

Ditto! SoapBox Aug 2013 #16

He is an American. former9thward Aug 2013 #20

For all here who've said Russia is "just a stop on the way to South America", 7962 Aug 2013 #35

Russia is just a stop along the way. The aggressiveness of the US has made it morningfog Aug 2013 #92

Ditto and he's a Ruskky now? HangOnKids Aug 2013 #97

I must have missed the part where he surrendered his citizenship. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #18

Wrong. He has the same innate human rights that he has always had and we all have. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #25

Do you really believe Putin is just a politician? tridim Aug 2013 #33

SPLURT. SaveOurDemocracy Aug 2013 #37

So I take it you like Putin? tridim Aug 2013 #40

Fucking Love This Post! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #98

And isn't it sad that American Whistle Blowers feel safer in Russia than here? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #74

Of course he is. Even a blind possum could see that. Zorra Aug 2013 #3

It's always nice tyo have polls to show who supports what Progressive dog Aug 2013 #8

Link Please ? bahrbearian Aug 2013 #10

Look it up, it's Pew Progressive dog Aug 2013 #45

That is disingenuous propaganda, and a strawman argument. Zorra Aug 2013 #12

He isn't either, that's why a majority Progressive dog Aug 2013 #44

Wow Moscow Eddie Sounds Hot! HangOnKids Aug 2013 #100

Now he's Putin's property Progressive dog Aug 2013 #106

Moscow Eddie and the Whistleblowers will be in the same article as Hanoi Jane and the Protesters! Zorra Aug 2013 #116

If someone calls me up with survey questions about NSA spying MindPilot Aug 2013 #30

Well that would explain it, people who lie on polls. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #43

And this part is important to repeat...from the article KoKo Aug 2013 #5

As soon as they show what is "illegal" I will agree. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #9

Spying on all Americans usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #11

It's as legal as enhanced interrogation. tblue Aug 2013 #21

"the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act...is no more than a trap." bananas Aug 2013 #62

Only because the ACLU is a commie front group working for Putin while simultaneously Dragonfli Aug 2013 #6

You know, I've been a loyal Democrat for a looooong time, bvar22 Aug 2013 #42

No change, the ones who are attacking are still republicans RetroLounge Aug 2013 #112

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2013 #7

They are obvious racists teabaggers who hate Obama usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #13

and, a doodyhead bigtree Aug 2013 #14

I wonder what Russian misdeads he's going to blow the whistle on now. arely staircase Aug 2013 #19

LOL. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #22

Don't be ridiculous. He is not in a position to do that. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #24

He has all these skills and experience arely staircase Aug 2013 #26

You forgot your sarcasm tag. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #27

Thank You For Sharing - Very Timely And Appropriate cantbeserious Aug 2013 #29

dear catherina Chaco Dundee Aug 2013 #31

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #32

Don't agree with the ACLU on this one. NCTraveler Aug 2013 #34

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #36

No, he's not. Major Hogwash Aug 2013 #38

"In a democracy, the law should never be secret." whttevrr Aug 2013 #39

This is a well written OP explaining the ACLU's reasoning. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #47

K&R nt Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #50

"... The statutory language of the whistleblower protections requires the disclosure struggle4progress Aug 2013 #51

I guess it's technically "legal" tblue Aug 2013 #53

The Whistleblower Protection Act is unconstitutional? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #79

Oh, now that's just disingenuous. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #80

Excerpt I posted was from CRS report on WPA linked by OP and suggests struggle4progress Aug 2013 #81

Of course it doesn't fall under the definition in the WPA. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #55

It may not fall under WPA, as Snowden didn't follow procedures listed there, struggle4progress Aug 2013 #82

And here is a bit about two of those lawsuits Number23 Aug 2013 #57

Apparently the ACLU doesn't understand that if Bush were president Snowden would be a whistleblower dflprincess Aug 2013 #59

Exactly. I guess ACLU is under the bus now (n/t) bread_and_roses Aug 2013 #66

Mike German knows what he's talking about. This is an important statement. leveymg Aug 2013 #60

K&R. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #61

ooooh my god someone is watch me online? stonecutter357 Aug 2013 #65

IMO, the OP�s conclusion � 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #67

Unethical is a stretch. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #71

No one said anything about disbarment ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #88

By all practical definitions, Snowden is a whistleblower. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #96

"Practical" definitions ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #109

Then there's this sloppy bit: struggle4progress Aug 2013 #78

But everyone is missing the law point ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #89

More precisely, IIRC, it protects Federal employees from such retaliatory action struggle4progress Aug 2013 #91

Federal Contractors ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #107

Good catch, 1SBM! Number23 Aug 2013 #85

But ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #90

No, he isn't ProSense Aug 2013 #72

Twisted logic. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #73

The "twisted logic" is trying to claim Snowden is a whistleblower. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #75

Do you think protestors who don't seek permits beforehand should be considered protestors? NuclearDem Aug 2013 #76

So: is it about Snowden, after all? struggle4progress Aug 2013 #84

For fuck's sake. Snowden's acts, the US efforts to get him, the morningfog Aug 2013 #93

Well, it IS hard to keep up with exactly what "It's not about Snowden" means struggle4progress Aug 2013 #94

So Snowden went to China and not HK? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #99

Get ready for it. NickB79 Aug 2013 #104

Yep I can hear it now. Puglover Aug 2013 #111

Under the bus with the ACLU RetroLounge Aug 2013 #113

The WPA only covers government employees, Progressive dog Aug 2013 #114

I think he did the right thing and that's what's really important. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #121

It might be important to you but not to me. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #122

The ability to determine right and wrong is a human quality and isn't found in a text book AppleBottom Aug 2013 #123

I'm in favor of a government of laws. Progressive dog Aug 2013 #124