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TM99

(8,352 posts)
56. I have studied history.
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 11:29 AM
Aug 2013

I don't require a lecture on the value of intelligence gathering.

This is beyond intelligence gathering. It is the wholesale collection of all types of data on private US citizens not involved or even suspected of 'aiding the enemy during a time of war'.

So it is hyperbole now then to ask a rational question of those, like yourself, who support the current NSA programs, what exactly has it produced of tangible value? The 'sources and methods' have now been revealed, for good or ill, by Snowden and others. So as I have said before, the cat is already out of the bag, the bird has flown the coop, etc.

If I am being asked to sacrifice privacy for security, yes, as a citizen of this country, I would like to know what exact security I am being provided. You may be more trusting, and that is certainly your prerogative. But to suggest that all who disagree with you are being hyperbolic, don't understand meaningful intelligence versus wholesale surveillance, etc., is bullshit. You are smart enough obviously to know that.

So yet again, I have a non-answer to my simple question. Thank you for your time this morning.

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Good rant, but the problem was there before Obama and will be there after Obama. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
I agree entirely with your comments. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #4
+I agree too, and THAT is WHY.... bvar22 Aug 2013 #57
So let me get this straight. TM99 Aug 2013 #14
Yep. I know congress passes laws, but the operation of the entire executive branch is under... rwsanders Aug 2013 #19
Oh yeah, because he magically knows every single thing that's ongoing out there, just like Amonester Aug 2013 #27
So he never picks up a newspaper? No one in the USFWS does an update on endangered species? rwsanders Aug 2013 #31
Actually, Malia Obama has been known to ask her Daddy a few pointed truedelphi Aug 2013 #32
That's great, good for her. That is really the only reason the "dolphin safe" label on tuna... rwsanders Aug 2013 #40
Isn't there no more "dolphin safe" tuna labeling in the US? 90-percent Aug 2013 #45
Got killed by the mexican fleet under NAFTA. I'm not eating it anyway due to high mercury... rwsanders Aug 2013 #64
The President is the leader of the Democratic Party Maedhros Aug 2013 #22
Blah, Blah, Blah, BillyRibs Aug 2013 #41
T"S STILL THEIR AND THE POTUS SUPPORTS IT! AlbertCat Aug 2013 #54
OMG I'm Just soooooooooo BillyRibs Aug 2013 #68
No intimidation... AlbertCat Aug 2013 #70
Everyone has been calling Congress on this for a long time. Airc, we were furious at sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43
I have decided that "It aint Obama's fault." I think he doesnt have the power to fire rhett o rick Aug 2013 #47
Congress / Obama does what the little people want? That must be something new. L0oniX Aug 2013 #49
Not they don't. But in many ways that is our fault. We have allowed ourselves to be talked into sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #65
I totally agree. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #67
Why dont you just say, "It aint Obama's fault." and save us the pathetic rationalizations? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #46
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #59
President Obama has the power to tell the DNI what to do. xocet Aug 2013 #62
More tedious, ungrounded assertions. gulliver Aug 2013 #2
Maybe, just maybe ProSense Aug 2013 #3
So how about you TM99 Aug 2013 #12
Does grasping as straw men make you feel better? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #21
You need to read another book on logic then. TM99 Aug 2013 #37
I see you are back on the job. Android3.14 Aug 2013 #55
Wyden, et al., can say anything they like, because they can never be made to prove it. savannah43 Aug 2013 #20
...because the Boston bombers had no foreign ties at all, right? Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #38
Well ...that explains why the FBI and DEA all want access to that big ol NSA data base. L0oniX Aug 2013 #50
Wow the defenders are all over this. dkf Aug 2013 #5
I seem to have inadvertently chummed the waters. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #6
Must have touched a nerve. They curse more when frightened. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #16
Apparently so... truebrit71 Aug 2013 #60
"Defenders"? It's a stupid fucking comment. ProSense Aug 2013 #7
You are indeed a tireless defender the NSA. Great job. I hope they give you a cookie Ed Suspicious Aug 2013 #10
No, that's your perception, and some people prefer not to deal with facts. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #11
Yeah, we noticed. RC Aug 2013 #24
LOL, really? You are not a defender of the NSA? N-t Logical Aug 2013 #30
I got an iPad4 last month. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #15
A few of them may have been called in on their day off, so they're pissy... backscatter712 Aug 2013 #13
K & R AzDar Aug 2013 #8
Wow. How do I fit this on a bumper sticker? n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #9
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #17
Without doubt, the most irritating thing about all of this,... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #18
+1000. If only a Snowden showed up during *'s reign. nt adirondacker Aug 2013 #28
Popular culture has embraced the idea that these spy agencies suck. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #33
One of the biggest problems I have is allowing private industry to get involved. That, and the lack adirondacker Aug 2013 #35
In some ways, we can thank the over-reach of the Bush Years.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #58
I guess then POTUS is just a powerless figurehead? GoneFishin Aug 2013 #23
They kinda forget that part in their ceaseless devotion. RC Aug 2013 #25
I understand why some suggest there are pros present, when facts don't really seem to matter as GoneFishin Aug 2013 #26
They're on the side of a lost cause: Capitalism. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #34
Two guys shut down boston for a day! Wow, not a good example. n-t Logical Aug 2013 #29
nice rant. It's not all Obama's fault except for that those are his policies. limpyhobbler Aug 2013 #36
I agree-It's time to END IT! midnight Aug 2013 #39
So because it doesn't shut down 100% of the threats that means it doesn't stop any. grantcart Aug 2013 #42
But here is the real question TM99 Aug 2013 #48
I support what exactly? grantcart Aug 2013 #53
I have studied history. TM99 Aug 2013 #56
I have two things to say about "overblown hyperbole". When Snowden came forward rhett o rick Aug 2013 #61
Back in the day when they were giving person-hoods while writing the American State papers........ nolabels Aug 2013 #69
So then how many billions per stopped event are we paying for here? L0oniX Aug 2013 #51
I could not agree more grantcart Aug 2013 #52
K&R nt raouldukelives Aug 2013 #44
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #63
K&R Stinky The Clown Aug 2013 #66
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