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ProSense

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51. "report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance"
Mon Aug 5, 2013, 12:30 PM
Aug 2013

From the WaPo link.

The report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance uncovered by former Booz Allen Hamilton contractor Edward Snowden. In other words, we don’t know for sure if the DEA’s Special Operations Division is getting its tips from the same database that’s been the subject of multiple congressional hearings in recent months. We just know that the NSA sometimes grants DEA access to Section 702 phone records, and also, separately, that a special outfit within DEA sometimes gets tips from the NSA.


Again, this has nothing to do with the NSA programs. It appears to be criminal investigations related to money laundering and other international crimes, and individual warrants are involved. Reuters:

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Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

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The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 1994 to combat Latin American drug cartels and has grown from several dozen employees to several hundred.

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The unit also played a major role in a 2008 DEA sting in Thailand against Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout; he was sentenced in 2011 to 25 years in prison on charges of conspiring to sell weapons to the Colombian rebel group FARC. The SOD also recently coordinated Project Synergy, a crackdown against manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers of synthetic designer drugs that spanned 35 states and resulted in 227 arrests.

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Wiretap tips forwarded by the SOD usually come from foreign governments, U.S. intelligence agencies or court-authorized domestic phone recordings. Because warrantless eavesdropping on Americans is illegal, tips from intelligence agencies are generally not forwarded to the SOD until a caller's citizenship can be verified...Since its inception, the SOD's mandate has expanded to include narco-terrorism, organized crime and gangs. A DEA spokesman declined to comment on the unit's annual budget. A recent LinkedIn posting on the personal page of a senior SOD official estimated it to be $125 million.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805

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K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #1
that awkward moment when you see it's really worse than you'd imagined. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #2
The Minions will be here shortly to tell us all that this is actually a good thing Fumesucker Aug 2013 #3
i think they've worn themselves out on this one. lots of confusion that this isn't a fake scandal... nashville_brook Aug 2013 #4
They have certainly worn out my tolerance for spin and bullshit Fumesucker Aug 2013 #6
+10000000 - you and many others :) nashville_brook Aug 2013 #61
Maybe they are still off from the weekend. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #19
i was starting to wonder if they're on recess. nashville_brook Aug 2013 #62
OBEY!!! nt. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #67
So any supporters here of the surveillance state want to continue defending this bullshit? davidn3600 Aug 2013 #5
Your strawman doesn't exist on DU. nt tridim Aug 2013 #7
Anything to say about the OP? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #11
I agree. No progressive would defend this BS. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #8
Unless they are being re defined. zeemike Aug 2013 #10
Let the weasel speak begin. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #15
It is beyond the realm of possibility that these programs will NOT be used Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #9
That is certainly consistent with what we've learned in the Chicago area. We never have AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #12
it's all for the greater good, blah blah blah NoMoreWarNow Aug 2013 #13
So creating alternate realities passes for justice now? Pholus Aug 2013 #14
SOD program is another secret.... midnight Aug 2013 #16
Is this one of those super-secret programs whose details can be kept from Congress? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #17
They are undated documents and Reuters doesn't say how they obtained them. randome Aug 2013 #18
Why do you hate The Constitution? Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #21
Isn't this the same thing when an organized crime boss is taken down? randome Aug 2013 #23
No, it's not. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #70
From TFA Pholus Aug 2013 #24
"Some experts say". That's not much to go on regarding something that's been in use for decades now. randome Aug 2013 #32
As the investigative process is part of the evidence, Pholus Aug 2013 #36
The DEA isn't so much protecting us from terrorists as from drug cartels. randome Aug 2013 #38
No, it isn't. Pholus Aug 2013 #40
You really should be better informed by now Fumesucker Aug 2013 #41
Regarding marijuana, I mostly agree with you. randome Aug 2013 #43
Alcohol is "hard stuff" by those standards Fumesucker Aug 2013 #45
And it doesn't appear ProSense Aug 2013 #25
Let me help you out a bit... Pholus Aug 2013 #27
What is that? ProSense Aug 2013 #29
From TFA, part 2. Pholus Aug 2013 #31
That still has nothing to do with the point. ProSense Aug 2013 #34
Really. Your point seemed to be... Pholus Aug 2013 #42
Oh brother. ProSense Aug 2013 #48
Why not? You're ignoring them. Pholus Aug 2013 #49
What does 2+2=? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #69
The claim is that the DEA is lying even to prosecutors about where they get evidence Fumesucker Aug 2013 #28
Plus it is hard to miss this paragraph Rex Aug 2013 #30
What in the world are you talking about? Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #33
SOD has been in operation since 1994. randome Aug 2013 #35
It is egregious Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #37
I agree that can be a very serious problem. randome Aug 2013 #39
"So long as the evidence is strong enough, does it matter whether it came from route A or route B?" Marr Aug 2013 #44
Fuck yes it matters. My god, you are becoming more transparent. morningfog Aug 2013 #66
And like good little fascist, the DEA does it without a second thought. Rex Aug 2013 #20
At least some prosecutors "get it" based on the article... Pholus Aug 2013 #22
Kick LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #26
WAPO: "The NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA. And the DEA is covering it up." Catherina Aug 2013 #46
Funny how no one seems to ask the central question about NSA/DEA cooperation. randome Aug 2013 #47
Has the DEA made that argument? Fumesucker Aug 2013 #50
No, the DEA has not said that. randome Aug 2013 #52
Agendas differ Fumesucker Aug 2013 #53
I think that's a good point. randome Aug 2013 #54
"report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance" ProSense Aug 2013 #51
The Problem of Ignorance: The Decline of Critical Thinking Zorra Aug 2013 #55
Reuters: How DEA program differs from recent NSA revelations ProSense Aug 2013 #57
Make up your mind. "nothing to do" with the metadata program? or "we dont know"? David Krout Aug 2013 #59
The person responsible for bring this information forward is a traitor!!!! AppleBottom Aug 2013 #56
And this kiddies, is how a *police state* nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58
I rarely agree with you, nadin- but you are 100% correct on this one. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #60
what nadin said nashville_brook Aug 2013 #64
Rachel just covered this malaise Aug 2013 #63
Continuity in policy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #65
Yep totally stopping the terrorist on American soil. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #68
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