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In reply to the discussion: DEA Agents Are Told To Cover Up Spying Program Used Against Americans [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)51. "report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance"
From the WaPo link.
The report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance uncovered by former Booz Allen Hamilton contractor Edward Snowden. In other words, we dont know for sure if the DEAs Special Operations Division is getting its tips from the same database thats been the subject of multiple congressional hearings in recent months. We just know that the NSA sometimes grants DEA access to Section 702 phone records, and also, separately, that a special outfit within DEA sometimes gets tips from the NSA.
Again, this has nothing to do with the NSA programs. It appears to be criminal investigations related to money laundering and other international crimes, and individual warrants are involved. Reuters:
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Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.
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The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 1994 to combat Latin American drug cartels and has grown from several dozen employees to several hundred.
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The unit also played a major role in a 2008 DEA sting in Thailand against Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout; he was sentenced in 2011 to 25 years in prison on charges of conspiring to sell weapons to the Colombian rebel group FARC. The SOD also recently coordinated Project Synergy, a crackdown against manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers of synthetic designer drugs that spanned 35 states and resulted in 227 arrests.
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Wiretap tips forwarded by the SOD usually come from foreign governments, U.S. intelligence agencies or court-authorized domestic phone recordings. Because warrantless eavesdropping on Americans is illegal, tips from intelligence agencies are generally not forwarded to the SOD until a caller's citizenship can be verified...Since its inception, the SOD's mandate has expanded to include narco-terrorism, organized crime and gangs. A DEA spokesman declined to comment on the unit's annual budget. A recent LinkedIn posting on the personal page of a senior SOD official estimated it to be $125 million.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
Although these cases rarely involve national security issues, documents reviewed by Reuters show that law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.
<...>
The unit of the DEA that distributes the information is called the Special Operations Division, or SOD. Two dozen partner agencies comprise the unit, including the FBI, CIA, NSA, Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Homeland Security. It was created in 1994 to combat Latin American drug cartels and has grown from several dozen employees to several hundred.
<...>
The unit also played a major role in a 2008 DEA sting in Thailand against Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout; he was sentenced in 2011 to 25 years in prison on charges of conspiring to sell weapons to the Colombian rebel group FARC. The SOD also recently coordinated Project Synergy, a crackdown against manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers of synthetic designer drugs that spanned 35 states and resulted in 227 arrests.
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Wiretap tips forwarded by the SOD usually come from foreign governments, U.S. intelligence agencies or court-authorized domestic phone recordings. Because warrantless eavesdropping on Americans is illegal, tips from intelligence agencies are generally not forwarded to the SOD until a caller's citizenship can be verified...Since its inception, the SOD's mandate has expanded to include narco-terrorism, organized crime and gangs. A DEA spokesman declined to comment on the unit's annual budget. A recent LinkedIn posting on the personal page of a senior SOD official estimated it to be $125 million.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805
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The Minions will be here shortly to tell us all that this is actually a good thing
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#3
i think they've worn themselves out on this one. lots of confusion that this isn't a fake scandal...
nashville_brook
Aug 2013
#4
So any supporters here of the surveillance state want to continue defending this bullshit?
davidn3600
Aug 2013
#5
It is beyond the realm of possibility that these programs will NOT be used
Vinnie From Indy
Aug 2013
#9
That is certainly consistent with what we've learned in the Chicago area. We never have
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#12
Is this one of those super-secret programs whose details can be kept from Congress?
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2013
#17
"Some experts say". That's not much to go on regarding something that's been in use for decades now.
randome
Aug 2013
#32
The claim is that the DEA is lying even to prosecutors about where they get evidence
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#28
"So long as the evidence is strong enough, does it matter whether it came from route A or route B?"
Marr
Aug 2013
#44
WAPO: "The NSA is giving your phone records to the DEA. And the DEA is covering it up."
Catherina
Aug 2013
#46
"report makes no explicit connection between the DEA and the earlier NSA bulk phone surveillance"
ProSense
Aug 2013
#51
Make up your mind. "nothing to do" with the metadata program? or "we dont know"?
David Krout
Aug 2013
#59
I rarely agree with you, nadin- but you are 100% correct on this one.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2013
#60