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If you haven't already read Bob Cesca's post this morning titled I'll stop Writing about Glenn Greenwald's NSA Coverage When He Stops Lying, please do so. I ditto everything he said.
Ill Stop Writing About Glenn Greenwalds NSA Coverage When He Stops Lying
By Bob Cesca · August 05,2013 Print Friendly | 1863 Views | Politics
On Sundays edition of This Week with George Stephanopoulos, Greenwalds second This Week appearance in a row, he repeated this exaggeration to guest host Martha Radditz:
Well I think the concern is that whistleblowers in the United States have become the number one public enemy of the United States government, which is incredibly disturbing. McClatchy has been reporting great things about how the Obama administration equates whistleblowing with treason, with all kinds of programs. [...] Whistleblowers in the United States are put into prison for decades and basically disappeared, as we just saw with Bradley Manning
Once again, no, there havent been any whistleblowers under the Obama administration whove been imprisoned for decades. Theyre not the number one public enemy, either, unless you dig way, way, way down the list of U.S. enemies beneath the thousands of people, both foreign and domestic, who are seeking to kill Americans, assassinate the president and overthrow our government. Nor have these whistleblowers been disappeared. Even if Manning goes to jail for decades, theres no evidence that hell be disappeared a word thats traditionally reserved for sinister, covert kidnappings in which a suspect is grabbed and hauled off in total secrecy and prevented from alerting anyone to his whereabouts or from petitioning for habeas corpus. Extremist language used by a compulsive exaggerator.
Furthermore, Greenwald continues to conflate legitimate whistleblowers with men whove leaked national security secrets, generally either to the press or to foreign governments. Based on the fact that the president signed the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act in 2012, hes clearly used his authority as a means of encouraging government workers to come forward through proper channels and expose anyone whos engaged in waste, fraud or abuse.
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/08/ill-stop-writing-about-glenn-greenwalds-nsa-coverage-when-he-stops-lying/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ill-stop-writing-about-glenn-greenwalds-nsa-coverage-when-he-stops-lying&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
SNIP
First of all...their argument is weak and needs to be buttressed to be heard. The use of hyperbolic propaganda tells us that the purveyors think the recipients are ignorant and need to be manipulated.
Secondly, this kind of propaganda is always meant to instill fear. People react when they're afraid. The trouble is, most often they are attracted to the wrong solutions. Witness Bush/Cheney in the aftermath of 9/11.
I don't take kindly to manipulation and fear-mongering. But that's the kind of propaganda that Greenwald is engaging. And so I agree with Cesca, as long as he's being given a platform for that nonsense, I'll be responding.
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/08/propaganda.html
In conclusion, President Obama wrote about his response to this kind of thing years ago.
FRI SEP 30, 2005 AT 07:38 AM PDT
Tone, Truth, and the Democratic Party
byBarack ObamaFollowforDaily Kos
And I firmly believe that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.
[Our goal should be to stick to our guns on those core values that make this country great, show a spirit of flexibility and sustained attention that can achieve those goals, and try to create the sort of serious, adult, consensus around our problems that can admit Democrats, Republicans and Independents of good will. This is more than just a matter of "framing," although clarity of language, thought, and heart are required. It's a matter of actually having faith in the American people's ability to hear a real and authentic debate about the issues that matter.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/09/30/153069/-Tone-Truth-and-the-Democratic-Party#
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/08/propaganda.html
Read more at the links.
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I bow, scrape, and genuflect to your unassailable superiority over all other creatures.
IrishAyes
Aug 2013
#165
+1, as another duer noted in another thread, first post smackdowns are great to witness
quinnox
Aug 2013
#8
You seem to level that same charge at anyone with a different viewpoint from yours.
IrishAyes
Aug 2013
#149
Nope, nor any ethical or moral stance either, just check the box and you're in.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2013
#111
Are you the judge? Did you halt the "sentencing phase?" Have you announced his sentence?
MADem
Aug 2013
#24
Her "revelation" was the content of conversations she translated from Turkish
Recursion
Aug 2013
#55
"There is an excellent amount of facts that are posted in GD and the BOG, by us Hard Core BOGers"
quinnox
Aug 2013
#46
This thread is a veritable Rorshach test, as far as who sees what, depending what they already think
Electric Monk
Aug 2013
#39
Yup. I gave up arguing with Baggers, Libertarians, Scientologists, Kochroaches and Termites.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#112
How many brownie points and doggie treats did Cesca earn from the NSA for this tripe?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#56
After Cesca's attacks on Lt Dan Choi I simply won't read him and those who
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2013
#150
If we are going to discard someone for one big mistake, then Greenwald is out for supporting Bush nt
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#173
Your attempt to demagogue my agreement with Cesca on this is noted and it is not surprising. nt
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#169
I think they are telling lies over and over again, and even making them bigger over time. That
stevenleser
Aug 2013
#172