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ChiciB1

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88. Onward...

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:48 PM

Aug 2013

Good to see people still fighting. I'm to the left of most people and get told constantly that "we" don't exist anymore. Plus, I'm so very, very upset with the all the WIMPY Democrats who actually vote with Repukes!

When Elizabeth Warren got elected I was elated. We need so many more of her. There's Bernie, Alan Grayson and a handful of others who I feel have fire in their belly. I talk politics and what is happening in this country to almost everyone I know. Most ask me if I have any other interests in my life, or either tell me I NEED to "get a life!" Depressing!

But I am a political addict and I stay connected. Just don't like the landscape these days and can't seem to get others to focus on the BIG ELEPHANT in the room. But, I do admire your spirit.

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Do you get the REAL significance of the DEA surveillance story? Wow, just Wow. [View all] Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 OP

Yup, we have been warning of the rise of a totalitarian state nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #1

No,it's not. The very fact that this information sufrommich Aug 2013 #10

Just because the news media found out about it doesn't mean that the feds wanted them to. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #15

If you think Papers please, we are not there yet nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #19

Pure Alex Jones type hyperbole. sufrommich Aug 2013 #22

I guess those political scientists who have described inverted totalitarianism nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #35

As early as 2006, wow, would that be like the Egyptians? nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #129

I hear snoring. Is someone sleeping here? zzzzzzzzzz JDPriestly Aug 2013 #50

Why don't you address the parts of the OP that you don't agree with? I remember back when sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #103

Making Alex Jones references constantly in a progressive forum blackspade Aug 2013 #117

Not if they people keep referring to AJ type sources uponit7771 Aug 2013 #137

Like Reuters? blackspade Aug 2013 #139

Alex Jones, and I don't think some on the left want CONSTRUCTIVE criticism just bitching and fudr uponit7771 Aug 2013 #140

You do realize that you are on a left wing website? blackspade Aug 2013 #141

"Papers please?" Sorry Nadin-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #23

And tattooing "666" on your wrist? Or will they embed a "666" chip under your skin? n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #30

I got my tracking device on me... I am a good citizen nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #36

How did you find out you were chipped? Coyotl Aug 2013 #70

It's called carla Aug 2013 #75

Chip yourself and pay for it too! Coyotl Aug 2013 #81

And with all the automation now that we are in the totally techie 21st Century, truedelphi Aug 2013 #118

I have witnessed... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #44

Alas while true, that is not what our friend means nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #47

Yeah, someone chastised me... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #48

No, it's our own American brand of intrusion. gtar100 Aug 2013 #56

It has far more in common with the nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58

Americans are too fat, dumb, and lazy... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #78

I walk in a forest of dummies! Maybe I'm arrogant, but damn, sometimes RKP5637 Aug 2013 #92

I live in Texas... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #95

That would be a great 2014 campaign slogan: "You all are too fat, dumb, and lazy. You're a forest of Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #143

LOL! RKP5637 Aug 2013 #147

Those not seeing where we are going surely can't read the road signs IMO and/or RKP5637 Aug 2013 #89

Massive Dbase Architecture.... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #93

And, think of that with an algorithm of predictive behavior analysis run against RKP5637 Aug 2013 #96

Not only that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #97

It's like a real life Stephen King novel in the makings ... RKP5637 Aug 2013 #99

More like Clancy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #105

It is no secret Illegal Aug 2013 #160

I have to say it, you funny nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #161

"Papers Please"! bvar22 Aug 2013 #84

I know, I go through at least two regularly nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #85

The one on the 15 North is at the San Diego/Riverside county line mrdmk Aug 2013 #106

What good is having information when it can not be used? Bandit Aug 2013 #21

I'm a little confused--Do you mean "what good is OUR having this information�?" Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #28

Or someone in your social network to bear false witness against you. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #43

That is exactly how it has worked in the past. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #51

And apparently whatever ridiculous programs our Congress critters truedelphi Aug 2013 #125

Glenn Greenwald Is Gay BlueManFan Aug 2013 #138

Elliott Spitzer. Scott Ritter. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #149

WHo Can Forget Valerie Plame and Joe WIlson BlueManFan Aug 2013 #152

Uh, not true. This is a different type of totalitarianism, one that was alluded to in "Brave New Nay Aug 2013 #27

Like pissing on the people you have killed... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #45

I miss Frank witchgman Aug 2013 #67

no , its not kardonb Aug 2013 #83

It's apologist hyperbole -- "We have nothing to worry about! Trust the MIC in all things!" villager Aug 2013 #104

Really? So no problem that NSA "terror fighting" data is being used to arrest people for smoking pot Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #115

Follow the money leftstreet Aug 2013 #2

The piece mentions ProSense Aug 2013 #5

But many of the collaborating entities have off-the-books black budgets. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #64

Yet another thing that is so disturbing. truedelphi Aug 2013 #159

And your point is what? blackspade Aug 2013 #121

Defund the DHS and DEA. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #3

DEA admitted pursuing domestic cases based on tips from informants that turned out 2b NSA intercepts Catherina Aug 2013 #4

The Drug War and War and Terror are Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #6

^^ this ^^ Myrina Aug 2013 #7

yep G_j Aug 2013 #9

It is illogical to think that the Republicans can filibuster but Senate Democrats cannot filibuster AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #8

Because when dems are the minority... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #46

It's almost as if they're just sophisticated dive artists. dorkulon Aug 2013 #52

Good analogy... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #54

"Hiring 1/2 the citizens to enslave the other 1/2" 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #11

Share your sentiments and admire yr enthusiasm. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #119

It makes sense lunatica Aug 2013 #12

About the Reuters DEA Special Operations Division Story ProSense Aug 2013 #13

I'm waiting for someone to get busted for saying online that they smoked pot in the past. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14

I don't think it's a crime to admit to having smoked pot in the past. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #16

Ever hear of "throwing the book at you"? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #18

Well in that case they should arrest President Obama and millions of others. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #29

Maybe we should start arresting the cops for disturbing the peace. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #38

their class doesn't go to jail for pot. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #112

Nor for cocaine, nor for a whole lot of other things Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #131

Not some of the cops I know. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #20

Well if they plant it on you then that's a different matter. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #25

That's the plan. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #69

Some of them dream of "Punishment Park".... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #72

The third "P" being, of course Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #76

Or possibly use that info to search their homes under 'probable cause'. Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #109

So, it looks like we have to have legalization instead of just medical marijuana factsarenotfair Aug 2013 #17

yap Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #24

Oh yes NSA does have its own RQ-1A non-armed Predator drones TRoN33 Aug 2013 #26

It is quite safe to assume that no existing technology is unavailable to the NSA 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #32

+1000 VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #108

That is so Hunger Games..... NSA domestic drones. eilen Aug 2013 #39

"Recreate the information" suffragette Aug 2013 #31

Or to cover up the fact that the new NSA information dragnet is... Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #34

They have the budget and the technology. Ethics, conscience and accountability -not so much suffragette Aug 2013 #110

Exactly! ...nt dougolat Aug 2013 #124

Or that there was no warrant hootinholler Aug 2013 #40

Framing, yes it does sound like that. And it looks like informants and nations profit tremendously, suffragette Aug 2013 #49

Yes, that's the interesting part. SOP for SOD? leveymg Aug 2013 #41

Yes, and how far those recreations go. suffragette Aug 2013 #73

ex post facto-haha- kick. bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #153

What it all really adds up to is... Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #33

yeah, I know. Sigh. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #123

Factor in the tens of thousands of cops and prison guards Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Question... I've Heard Of Motley Fool Before, BUT ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #57

LOL! You'll never believe this, but just as I finished reading your post, Zorra Aug 2013 #65

And I've Spent Many Years In The Trenches ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #74

Nah, similar story, I live in AZ and I feel the same way. Zorra Aug 2013 #80

Onward... ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #88

Neh Neh Neh Heh! that screw is just the beginning. truedelphi Aug 2013 #120

Don't forget the prison labor - TBF Aug 2013 #145

The national Police/Security State has already arrived 90-percent Aug 2013 #42

Sad ain't it? But they do it so they can make a paycheck. Rex Aug 2013 #53

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #55

"normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD." < in other words, jtuck004 Aug 2013 #59

Its perjury creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #101

Prosecution witnesses lie all the time. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #133

Teachers? School Kids? Why, in another five years, we won't need any truedelphi Aug 2013 #122

Just guessing, Madmiddle Aug 2013 #60

Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #61

If the info was obtained illegally... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #62

I have lived in areas of the country that are supposedly conclaves of truedelphi Aug 2013 #158

The real significance is that this is now a Dem/Obama scandal, not a Bush scandal even though Coyotl Aug 2013 #63

SOD started under Clinton. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #68

And DOD coordination with DEA started in 1986 under Reagan stevenleser Aug 2013 #100

Oh, only a paranoid person would think they would use "terror fighting" powers to arrest pot smokers Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #66

Nice One! CanSocDem Aug 2013 #82

The whole of government is a parasite. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Aug 2013 #71

If we evaluate the successes and failures of the DEA, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #77

Cough. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #87

Yeah. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #126

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #79

That's WHY they're spying, duh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #86

Yes..I get it...it's another very disturbing revelation on top of the others. KoKo Aug 2013 #90

WHAT story are you talking about? Th1onein Aug 2013 #91

nsa and dea teaming up questionseverything Aug 2013 #94

OMG. What the fuck is happening to this country? Th1onein Aug 2013 #98

And that's only a small part of the story. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #132

k & freakin r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #102

The NSA is feeding the information to the DEA. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #107

It is! It is! It is PROTECTING US AGAINST THE TERROR OF -NOT- BEING THROWN IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #114

And vice-versa, no doubt. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #134

Prohibition is a failed public policy...again. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #111

Not really. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #136

So when the drug war started it was so the NSA could collect data? TeamPooka Aug 2013 #146

It was used to suppress antiwar dissent in the Nixon years. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #148

actually is was originally done in 1937 to control the Mexican population... TeamPooka Aug 2013 #150

Indeed I do know that history. Anslinger and all that. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #151

They wouldn't lie to us, blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #113

This shit is despicable. blackspade Aug 2013 #116

So it was a good guess, and i am not as crazy as i thought i was. nolabels Aug 2013 #127

Thom Hartmann mentioned your thread on his show yesterday sellitman Aug 2013 #128

I really appreciate your letting me know. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #130

He had a whole segment on it. sellitman Aug 2013 #154

This would be the second time he picked up one of my DU rants. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #155

U.S. to review DEA unit that hides use of intel in crime cases ProSense Aug 2013 #135

Well that is just so special. truedelphi Aug 2013 #156

Don't worry, be happy. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #142

Excellent OP - should be required reading. nt TBF Aug 2013 #144

Beastly Berlum Aug 2013 #157