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jazzimov

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112. I think about half of them

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 07:49 PM

Aug 2013

you could substitute "any Democrat" for "Hillary".

I'll admit that I didn't vote for Hil-dog in the last primary, mostly because I felt she was "too cozy" with Corporate Interests. However, I thought she did a GREAT job as SoS, and I think she would make a GREAT President. However, I'm still going to wait until the Dem Primary to make up my mind.

IMHO, Some of the anti-Hil crowd really think that Hil-dog is too Centrist. Some of them think Hil-dog is too Centrist because others tell them she is (band-wagon folks).

But, also IMHO, a lot of the anti-Hil-dog crowd don't want ANY Democrat to win; they want a 3rd-party ranging from Naderites and Green Party to Ron/Rand Paul Libertarians. BUT I have no doubt that there are many here who only pretend to be Dems who want to undermine the Democratic Party itself.

We still don't know that Hil-dog is gonna run!

But I kinda hope she does!

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Why so many "I'll never vote for Hillary" posts? [View all] brooklynite Aug 2013 OP

On the other hand, if nearly half the votes went to her, more than half went to hedgehog Aug 2013 #1

And there was a large number looking for her, enter TPTB. Little Star Aug 2013 #4

I think people who have been very pleased with President Obama ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #2

Those who are pushing for Clinton obviously don't want progressive lefty voters. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #3

Did you vote for a progressive lefty in 08? If so... Little Star Aug 2013 #7

He ran as one, twice. Hillary can't even pretend. leveymg Aug 2013 #14

Yep. Just because someone runs as one doesn't mean they actually are..... Little Star Aug 2013 #25

We'll be at war with Iran within a year if HRC is Pres, if we aren't by the time she's elected. leveymg Aug 2013 #30

I really don't think she wants to start any war..... Little Star Aug 2013 #41

I can't help how I feel. And, I've come to trust my gut feelings, leveymg Aug 2013 #52

I can't tell much from that little snippet without more context. Little Star Aug 2013 #55

Iran will make Iraq look like a Sunday stroll in the park by comparison. - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #57

Did she tell you that in a dream? Walk away Aug 2013 #83

We didn't start any wars during HRC's tenure as SoS? Really, leveymg Aug 2013 #110

Iraq war resolution probably. nt Deep13 Aug 2013 #5

That! And all the "Hil will be the nom in 2016 and tough shit" posts elehhhhna Aug 2013 #101

That's it for some people Warpy Aug 2013 #154

I think many consider it a "dead end" vote... kentuck Aug 2013 #6

If you don't understand Wilms Aug 2013 #8

+1000 Hey Wilms! JimDandy Aug 2013 #150

Greetings to you too! Wilms Aug 2013 #157

No indeed. (sigh) n/t JimDandy Aug 2013 #158

And then... Wait Wut Aug 2013 #9

So we're ONLY allowed to be pissed about the GOP?....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #113

Yes. Wait Wut Aug 2013 #129

You said "God forbid that they get pissed at the GOP"... socialist_n_TN Aug 2013 #147

I,for one, don't want another corporate president. lob1 Aug 2013 #10

There's no big "Hair on Fire" story at the moment NoPasaran Aug 2013 #11

Three word and one picture explanation: Libya; Syria; Neocon; > leveymg Aug 2013 #12

Because we dont want "more of the same". darkangel218 Aug 2013 #13

more of the same like the Bushes. Whisp Aug 2013 #17

And Obama. nt darkangel218 Aug 2013 #22

Obama = Bush = bullshit uponit7771 Aug 2013 #69

Pretty much darkangel218 Aug 2013 #70

I have no patience for anyone who honestly CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #75

Are you saying President Obama's highly respected Secretary of State is like the Bushes? William769 Aug 2013 #38

Im saying he PO hasnt followed any of his promisses darkangel218 Aug 2013 #72

Sorry that was not directed at you it was in response to "whisp" William769 Aug 2013 #90

One of these things is not like the others. Whisp Aug 2013 #84

There's quite a "groundswell" of statements like that across the Internet. millennialmax Aug 2013 #15

Exactly. It is pure and simple rat fucking to try and suppress moderate and liberal voting in the FSogol Aug 2013 #64

Because people like to talk about stuff? leftstreet Aug 2013 #16

I don't see Hillary as centrist or as progressive. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #18

+1 Scuba Aug 2013 #26

+1 Marr Aug 2013 #29

That's the only way to get elected Link Speed Aug 2013 #35

..and all the others are happy to capitulate to the corporate and MIC shill candidate. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #44

She'a a hawk. Want more War? broiles Aug 2013 #74

+1 RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #89

'centrist' = half republican AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #156

I suspect many here still hold out hope for a Kucinich candidacy. n/t lamp_shade Aug 2013 #19

It's pretty much the last realistic chance to get that off their chests customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #20

I'll support her about as enthusiastically as I did Hubert Humphrey. leveymg Aug 2013 #24

And you saw how that turned out customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #28

Why do you think I'm so damned depressed about this? leveymg Aug 2013 #32

Would the Vietnam War customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #37

Have to think about that hypothetical. Maybe, maybe not. leveymg Aug 2013 #43

Didn't Nixon customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #86

Had Humphrey won in 1968, there's a damned good chance LBJ and the Vietnamese might have reached HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #61

I agree customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #87

Anyone who will not vote for her if she gets the nomination should be banned. But I will not... Logical Aug 2013 #21

Nah, the rules are pretty clear about that. Xithras Aug 2013 #31

...not to mention how this is going to affect the DU jury system which is already wack. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #46

yeah, freedom of speech is not a strong point around here but we are talking about a liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #62

yes if she does get the nomination there will be a lot of censorship going on. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #51

After the general election begins you can definitely be banned for not... gulliver Aug 2013 #91

They key word is "supporting" not "voting" Xithras Aug 2013 #119

well if the choice is being forced to vote for someone or be banned, I'll chose being banned. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #34

i have honestly tried to like her and quite frankly i can't dembotoz Aug 2013 #23

she racked up nearly half of the Democratic Primary votes cast DJ13 Aug 2013 #27

Yea ...he needed the lefties and progressives ...for the votes only... L0oniX Aug 2013 #47

... then backed over a few more times. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #116

people usually say why they make that statement quinnox Aug 2013 #33

I'm 100% voting for whoever the Dem nominee is. These republicans are TERRIFYING! JaneyVee Aug 2013 #36

I agree Andy823 Aug 2013 #73

They're looking for the pony & unicorn candidate.... Historic NY Aug 2013 #39

IMHO the biggest problem people here have with Hillary is not only that she is a female William769 Aug 2013 #40

But I believe that the majority of us who don't want Hillary want Elizabeth Warren, who Zorra Aug 2013 #45

+1. n/t winter is coming Aug 2013 #48

it's just another attempt to discredit people who don't support Hillary. liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #56

We'll all be accused of sexism anyway. bunnies Aug 2013 #60

I agree that she is going to run and... Little Star Aug 2013 #50

Now that's a foaming at the mouth reply usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #98

Because we are DUers demwing Aug 2013 #42

I always vote absentee Spirochete Aug 2013 #49

I will not vote for Hillary. mick063 Aug 2013 #63

Hmm. The people claiming they won't vote for Hillary have low post counts and seem to have an Pisces Aug 2013 #66

I will not vote for Hillary and I have more posts than you. There are many on here who have liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #71

Yes, and most of those acquired their post counts trying to stir up trouble. It doesn't take a much Pisces Aug 2013 #78

you can think whatever you like about me. You may be right about the majority of democrats liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #81

I am not attacking you personally. There is a concerted effort on this board that is bought and paid Pisces Aug 2013 #125

Yes, but Andy823 Aug 2013 #67

Santorum, Romney,Bachman, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Ryan, all much, much worse. mick063 Aug 2013 #82

She voted to invade Iraq and should have known better. She has never recanted her vote and HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #53

If she becomes our 2016 nominee, I'll vote for her - but I don't want a coronation derby378 Aug 2013 #54

My biggest gripe with Hillary is her hawkishness. DCBob Aug 2013 #58

she wanted to bomb libya and then he did. so he's not quite a dove. allin99 Aug 2013 #99

If she were calling the shots we probably would have sent ground troops. DCBob Aug 2013 #123

Who else is there that can win? Redford Aug 2013 #59

Biden? Warren? The Dems have a very deep bench compared to the loonies in the HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #65

Perhaps in response to the OP's demanding we all pick a candidate NOW who is Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #68

because they are scared of her Skittles Aug 2013 #76

They don't have an alternative JoePhilly Aug 2013 #77

Most DU is out of the mainstream of the Democratic Party... Drunken Irishman Aug 2013 #79

Good post Gothmog Aug 2013 #140

Excellent post. I wish I'd read it before I posted. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #145

Excellent points Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #155

Okay...here is what I think...FWIW... KoKo Aug 2013 #80

I support Hillary and I will proudly vote for her. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #85

me 2 MFM008 Aug 2013 #104

I doin't think Warren wants it. I like her and would consider voting for her if Hillary does not hrmjustin Aug 2013 #105

She vociferously voted for Bush's Iraq slaughter and for Obama's drone war. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #88

I've been wondering the same thing. GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #92

I think it's funny; Old White People are the scourge of the earth... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2013 #93

I understand completely. bowens43 Aug 2013 #94

There's always a lot of chest-thumping burnodo Aug 2013 #95

And what happens when people don't fold? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #103

fold-in...tow the line...vote for the Dem nominee burnodo Aug 2013 #106

Nope, not always. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #108

anger at...Hillary? burnodo Aug 2013 #109

anger at all of our politicians. Anger at the fact that they have sold our freedoms and social liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #118

History usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #96

18 million+ allin99 Aug 2013 #97

Why so many posts trying to shove her down our throats LWolf Aug 2013 #100

Many reasons, maybe. NSA Spying intruding into consciousness? KoKo Aug 2013 #111

Aaahhh? Maybe because lots of people will never vote for Hillary? Coyotl Aug 2013 #102

Because Virginia Thomas is getting people to disrupt discussions everywhere Recursion Aug 2013 #107

I think about half of them jazzimov Aug 2013 #112

Of course Id vote for Clinton if she won the nomination Bradical79 Aug 2013 #114

I'll vote for who ever gets the democratic nomination madokie Aug 2013 #115

I won't reward the party for jamming a corporatist down my throat. I'll stay home. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #117

Because "Chickens for Colonel Sanders" is always stupicidal even when the other team is Tyson. TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #120

She was apparently unacceptable as a candidate for more than 17 million people in 2008. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2013 #121

It's only 2013 Union Scribe Aug 2013 #122

I'll hold my nose and vote for her if she's the only choice I have. B Calm Aug 2013 #124

Republican astroturf Renew Deal Aug 2013 #126

I am going to start voting third party until the Dems can get progressive candidates. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #127

Shooting ourselves in the the foot is inherent to the democratic party by many of the far left demosincebirth Aug 2013 #128

Hillary SamKnause Aug 2013 #130

Shortsighted people, trolls, and those easily fooled by trolls ecstatic Aug 2013 #131

^^This^^ Lisa D Aug 2013 #132

+++++ Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #146

I think I see the problem here. RC Aug 2013 #133

^^^THIS^^^ PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #136

Meh... I don't care enough Xyzse Aug 2013 #134

Because she is a RIGHT of Center (NOT Centrist) DLC Third way rep. Oh yeah she voted for Iraq War... on point Aug 2013 #135

This place is rife with malcontents. n/t Scurrilous Aug 2013 #137

How is that a problem? RC Aug 2013 #144

What's intriguing to me is that they say they fear she'll be exactly what Obama *IS*. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2013 #138

"Too centrist" is a cute euphemism. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #139

I'll venture a guess for ya...People are sick of third-wayers, and the party can't withstand a silvershadow Aug 2013 #141

It's probably because you think DU has some real world impact, IT DOESN'T. I know this because.... Tarheel_Dem Aug 2013 #142

I would definitely vote for her loyalsister Aug 2013 #143

They're probably from people who usually vote 3rd party anyway. pnwmom Aug 2013 #148

Too centrist? Vashta Nerada Aug 2013 #149

Well, we do have a libertarian contingent aboard. MADem Aug 2013 #151

I don't understand the Mrs. Clinton hate by GOP and some Ds...the bright side is.... Sunlei Aug 2013 #152

We need real change. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #153