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10. whistleblowers have been under siege so far

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 09:17 PM

Aug 2013

in this administration as well as the Bush administration. The only way to get this secret information out is to release it to the world. That way, the powers that be will have a major shit fit, and it can't be tapped down or quietly buried.

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How to be an actual whistleblower [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

And if it just gets buried, then what? Scuba Aug 2013 #1

Things change slowly. People who can't accept that wind up in bad situations. Recursion Aug 2013 #2

Uh huh. So if you report a war crime, and after 20 years nothing is reported and you're ... Scuba Aug 2013 #6

Immaturity may not be the only reason, but it's a common one I see Recursion Aug 2013 #13

"But the Senate alleges it was not. " Huh? Not what? Scuba Aug 2013 #16

Multiple Senators have claimed they did not know how FISC was interpreting the law Recursion Aug 2013 #17

And if it's not true, then he could have been quietly disposed of. Neat and tidy. Scuba Aug 2013 #18

Like I said, if Wyden and Sanders are lying, then nothing Snowden or anybody does is going to help Recursion Aug 2013 #19

No way Snowden could know if the Senators knew. Scuba Aug 2013 #21

No way to find out like telling them Recursion Aug 2013 #22

And the ones that did know did NOTHING about it. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #71

exactly, the scolds always leave that part out usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #48

Great idea. Take what you're blowing the whistle on to the people you're blowing the whistle on! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3

OMG! Change takes time and is frustrating?!?! Tell me it's not true!!! Recursion Aug 2013 #4

Blowing the whistle on government spying is change. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #5

Then he should have sent the information to Sen. Wyden Recursion Aug 2013 #7

He blew the whistle on the government. Last I checked, the senate is part of the governemnt. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8

Wyden claims he didn't know about FISC's interpretation of FISA before this Recursion Aug 2013 #20

Wyden was not in Snowden nor Manning's chain of command. Scuba Aug 2013 #9

You're never supposed to whistleblow through your chain of command. That's the point. Recursion Aug 2013 #11

"Chain of command" Bonobo Aug 2013 #51

I didn't introduce the term to the thread Recursion Aug 2013 #56

This makes zero sense whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #23

OFFS Recursion Aug 2013 #24

We're talking about justice for specific crimes whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #26

Same way it's changed in the past Recursion Aug 2013 #27

Serious crimes need to be exposed whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #49

Do they? Does that help? Recursion Aug 2013 #54

whistleblowers have been under siege so far quinnox Aug 2013 #10

How many people who have followed whistleblowers procedures have been prosecuted? Recursion Aug 2013 #12

How many people who have followed whistleblowers procedures have seen any results? Scuba Aug 2013 #14

Many of them. But actual whistleblowers don't get their pictures in the paper (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #15

Check this out if you want to know how aggressive Obama has been in prosecuting whistleblowers quinnox Aug 2013 #46

Yeah, and... Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #58

The whistleblower protections in this country don't truly serve to protect whistleblowers NuclearDem Aug 2013 #25

What, specifically, about the law does that? (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #28

The part that makes this the process: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #40

The IG isn't in your command Recursion Aug 2013 #42

I can't speak for Snowden. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #44

A lot of naivete... kentuck Aug 2013 #32

Especially if those they blew the whistle on are walking off NuclearDem Aug 2013 #50

If Snowden had only done that - Congress, the media and the public would be vigorously debating the Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #29

Why not release them to the entire world? Why doesn't the rest of humanity deserve to know? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #30

"Because I swore not to" comes to mind Recursion Aug 2013 #31

Of course you're not a citizen of the world. That would require a modicum of humanism. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #35

Sorry, I've seen too much of the world to buy that Recursion Aug 2013 #36

If you thought bad people were everywhere, yet support whistleblowing in the US... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #39

huh? I support whistleblowing in the US and abroad Recursion Aug 2013 #41

Well, of course, we must respect the savages and their nations of chaos. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #47

I'm still not following you Recursion Aug 2013 #52

"I'm still not following you" - That's weird because all I'm doing is repeating you. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #59

FOAD. The global south are not "savages". You should be ashamed. Recursion Aug 2013 #60

You don't get the allusion. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #61

I like Huxley more than Orwell; I think he understood the coming distopia better Recursion Aug 2013 #62

I'm not so sure of that. I think I've got your number. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #64

Carry on then Recursion Aug 2013 #65

I'm really loving your posts lately, Gravity quinnox Aug 2013 #53

I'm glad because apparently some people want me to Fuck Off And Die. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #67

lol, There is a certain group of like-minded posters who seems to take great offense to the truth quinnox Aug 2013 #68

Do what is right, and no one can blow the whistle on you. Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Governments will always be corrupt and abusive Recursion Aug 2013 #38

Honesty, integrity, and decency are not perfection. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #45

Wow. now that is a ridiculous argument. bowens43 Aug 2013 #66

More like ... 99Forever Aug 2013 #33

Nuts Savannahmann Aug 2013 #34

How to perpetuate the problem usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #43

Didn't work out so well for Manning,did it? nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #55

Manning didn't do this. He released the information to a third party extranational Recursion Aug 2013 #57

He was in the military. Seems like the military is a world unto itself and has snappyturtle Aug 2013 #69

you got step 2 wrong, releasing them to the entire fucking world is appropriate bowens43 Aug 2013 #63

Report criminal activity to the criminals, brilliant.. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #70

Sorry, Recursion, it doesn't fly. Th1onein Aug 2013 #72

Man, you are REALLY invested in tearing these guys down huh? tkmorris Aug 2013 #73