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35. Of course you're not a citizen of the world. That would require a modicum of humanism.

Mon Aug 5, 2013, 10:03 PM

Aug 2013

And when it comes to issues of nationalism, human identity is a permit granted by the state. To be outside of this issuance is to be outside of humanity.

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How to be an actual whistleblower [View all] Recursion Aug 2013 OP

And if it just gets buried, then what? Scuba Aug 2013 #1

Things change slowly. People who can't accept that wind up in bad situations. Recursion Aug 2013 #2

Uh huh. So if you report a war crime, and after 20 years nothing is reported and you're ... Scuba Aug 2013 #6

Immaturity may not be the only reason, but it's a common one I see Recursion Aug 2013 #13

"But the Senate alleges it was not. " Huh? Not what? Scuba Aug 2013 #16

Multiple Senators have claimed they did not know how FISC was interpreting the law Recursion Aug 2013 #17

And if it's not true, then he could have been quietly disposed of. Neat and tidy. Scuba Aug 2013 #18

Like I said, if Wyden and Sanders are lying, then nothing Snowden or anybody does is going to help Recursion Aug 2013 #19

No way Snowden could know if the Senators knew. Scuba Aug 2013 #21

No way to find out like telling them Recursion Aug 2013 #22

And the ones that did know did NOTHING about it. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #71

exactly, the scolds always leave that part out usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #48

Great idea. Take what you're blowing the whistle on to the people you're blowing the whistle on! Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3

OMG! Change takes time and is frustrating?!?! Tell me it's not true!!! Recursion Aug 2013 #4

Blowing the whistle on government spying is change. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #5

Then he should have sent the information to Sen. Wyden Recursion Aug 2013 #7

He blew the whistle on the government. Last I checked, the senate is part of the governemnt. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #8

Wyden claims he didn't know about FISC's interpretation of FISA before this Recursion Aug 2013 #20

Wyden was not in Snowden nor Manning's chain of command. Scuba Aug 2013 #9

You're never supposed to whistleblow through your chain of command. That's the point. Recursion Aug 2013 #11

"Chain of command" Bonobo Aug 2013 #51

I didn't introduce the term to the thread Recursion Aug 2013 #56

This makes zero sense whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #23

OFFS Recursion Aug 2013 #24

We're talking about justice for specific crimes whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #26

Same way it's changed in the past Recursion Aug 2013 #27

Serious crimes need to be exposed whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #49

Do they? Does that help? Recursion Aug 2013 #54

whistleblowers have been under siege so far quinnox Aug 2013 #10

How many people who have followed whistleblowers procedures have been prosecuted? Recursion Aug 2013 #12

How many people who have followed whistleblowers procedures have seen any results? Scuba Aug 2013 #14

Many of them. But actual whistleblowers don't get their pictures in the paper (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #15

Check this out if you want to know how aggressive Obama has been in prosecuting whistleblowers quinnox Aug 2013 #46

Yeah, and... Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #58

The whistleblower protections in this country don't truly serve to protect whistleblowers NuclearDem Aug 2013 #25

What, specifically, about the law does that? (nt) Recursion Aug 2013 #28

The part that makes this the process: NuclearDem Aug 2013 #40

The IG isn't in your command Recursion Aug 2013 #42

I can't speak for Snowden. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #44

A lot of naivete... kentuck Aug 2013 #32

Especially if those they blew the whistle on are walking off NuclearDem Aug 2013 #50

If Snowden had only done that - Congress, the media and the public would be vigorously debating the Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #29

Why not release them to the entire world? Why doesn't the rest of humanity deserve to know? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #30

"Because I swore not to" comes to mind Recursion Aug 2013 #31

Of course you're not a citizen of the world. That would require a modicum of humanism. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #35

Sorry, I've seen too much of the world to buy that Recursion Aug 2013 #36

If you thought bad people were everywhere, yet support whistleblowing in the US... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #39

huh? I support whistleblowing in the US and abroad Recursion Aug 2013 #41

Well, of course, we must respect the savages and their nations of chaos. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #47

I'm still not following you Recursion Aug 2013 #52

"I'm still not following you" - That's weird because all I'm doing is repeating you. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #59

FOAD. The global south are not "savages". You should be ashamed. Recursion Aug 2013 #60

You don't get the allusion. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #61

I like Huxley more than Orwell; I think he understood the coming distopia better Recursion Aug 2013 #62

I'm not so sure of that. I think I've got your number. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #64

Carry on then Recursion Aug 2013 #65

I'm really loving your posts lately, Gravity quinnox Aug 2013 #53

I'm glad because apparently some people want me to Fuck Off And Die. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #67

lol, There is a certain group of like-minded posters who seems to take great offense to the truth quinnox Aug 2013 #68

Do what is right, and no one can blow the whistle on you. Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Governments will always be corrupt and abusive Recursion Aug 2013 #38

Honesty, integrity, and decency are not perfection. nt Zorra Aug 2013 #45

Wow. now that is a ridiculous argument. bowens43 Aug 2013 #66

More like ... 99Forever Aug 2013 #33

Nuts Savannahmann Aug 2013 #34

How to perpetuate the problem usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #43

Didn't work out so well for Manning,did it? nt snappyturtle Aug 2013 #55

Manning didn't do this. He released the information to a third party extranational Recursion Aug 2013 #57

He was in the military. Seems like the military is a world unto itself and has snappyturtle Aug 2013 #69

you got step 2 wrong, releasing them to the entire fucking world is appropriate bowens43 Aug 2013 #63

Report criminal activity to the criminals, brilliant.. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #70

Sorry, Recursion, it doesn't fly. Th1onein Aug 2013 #72

Man, you are REALLY invested in tearing these guys down huh? tkmorris Aug 2013 #73