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128. Thom Hartmann mentioned your thread on his show yesterday

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Tue Aug 6, 2013, 07:33 AM

Aug 2013

Mentioned your name too.

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Do you get the REAL significance of the DEA surveillance story? Wow, just Wow. [View all] Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 OP

Yup, we have been warning of the rise of a totalitarian state nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #1

No,it's not. The very fact that this information sufrommich Aug 2013 #10

Just because the news media found out about it doesn't mean that the feds wanted them to. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #15

If you think Papers please, we are not there yet nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #19

Pure Alex Jones type hyperbole. sufrommich Aug 2013 #22

I guess those political scientists who have described inverted totalitarianism nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #35

As early as 2006, wow, would that be like the Egyptians? nt Progressive dog Aug 2013 #129

I hear snoring. Is someone sleeping here? zzzzzzzzzz JDPriestly Aug 2013 #50

Why don't you address the parts of the OP that you don't agree with? I remember back when sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #103

Making Alex Jones references constantly in a progressive forum blackspade Aug 2013 #117

Not if they people keep referring to AJ type sources uponit7771 Aug 2013 #137

Like Reuters? blackspade Aug 2013 #139

Alex Jones, and I don't think some on the left want CONSTRUCTIVE criticism just bitching and fudr uponit7771 Aug 2013 #140

You do realize that you are on a left wing website? blackspade Aug 2013 #141

"Papers please?" Sorry Nadin-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #23

And tattooing "666" on your wrist? Or will they embed a "666" chip under your skin? n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #30

I got my tracking device on me... I am a good citizen nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #36

How did you find out you were chipped? Coyotl Aug 2013 #70

It's called carla Aug 2013 #75

Chip yourself and pay for it too! Coyotl Aug 2013 #81

And with all the automation now that we are in the totally techie 21st Century, truedelphi Aug 2013 #118

I have witnessed... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #44

Alas while true, that is not what our friend means nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #47

Yeah, someone chastised me... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #48

No, it's our own American brand of intrusion. gtar100 Aug 2013 #56

It has far more in common with the nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #58

Americans are too fat, dumb, and lazy... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #78

I walk in a forest of dummies! Maybe I'm arrogant, but damn, sometimes RKP5637 Aug 2013 #92

I live in Texas... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #95

That would be a great 2014 campaign slogan: "You all are too fat, dumb, and lazy. You're a forest of Common Sense Party Aug 2013 #143

LOL! RKP5637 Aug 2013 #147

Those not seeing where we are going surely can't read the road signs IMO and/or RKP5637 Aug 2013 #89

Massive Dbase Architecture.... nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #93

And, think of that with an algorithm of predictive behavior analysis run against RKP5637 Aug 2013 #96

Not only that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #97

It's like a real life Stephen King novel in the makings ... RKP5637 Aug 2013 #99

More like Clancy nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #105

It is no secret Illegal Aug 2013 #160

I have to say it, you funny nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #161

"Papers Please"! bvar22 Aug 2013 #84

I know, I go through at least two regularly nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #85

The one on the 15 North is at the San Diego/Riverside county line mrdmk Aug 2013 #106

What good is having information when it can not be used? Bandit Aug 2013 #21

I'm a little confused--Do you mean "what good is OUR having this information�?" Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #28

Or someone in your social network to bear false witness against you. Uncle Joe Aug 2013 #43

That is exactly how it has worked in the past. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #51

And apparently whatever ridiculous programs our Congress critters truedelphi Aug 2013 #125

Glenn Greenwald Is Gay BlueManFan Aug 2013 #138

Elliott Spitzer. Scott Ritter. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #149

WHo Can Forget Valerie Plame and Joe WIlson BlueManFan Aug 2013 #152

Uh, not true. This is a different type of totalitarianism, one that was alluded to in "Brave New Nay Aug 2013 #27

Like pissing on the people you have killed... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #45

I miss Frank witchgman Aug 2013 #67

no , its not kardonb Aug 2013 #83

It's apologist hyperbole -- "We have nothing to worry about! Trust the MIC in all things!" villager Aug 2013 #104

Really? So no problem that NSA "terror fighting" data is being used to arrest people for smoking pot Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #115

Follow the money leftstreet Aug 2013 #2

The piece mentions ProSense Aug 2013 #5

But many of the collaborating entities have off-the-books black budgets. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #64

Yet another thing that is so disturbing. truedelphi Aug 2013 #159

And your point is what? blackspade Aug 2013 #121

Defund the DHS and DEA. Dawson Leery Aug 2013 #3

DEA admitted pursuing domestic cases based on tips from informants that turned out 2b NSA intercepts Catherina Aug 2013 #4

The Drug War and War and Terror are Harmony Blue Aug 2013 #6

^^ this ^^ Myrina Aug 2013 #7

yep G_j Aug 2013 #9

It is illogical to think that the Republicans can filibuster but Senate Democrats cannot filibuster AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #8

Because when dems are the minority... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #46

It's almost as if they're just sophisticated dive artists. dorkulon Aug 2013 #52

Good analogy... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #54

"Hiring 1/2 the citizens to enslave the other 1/2" 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #11

Share your sentiments and admire yr enthusiasm. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #119

It makes sense lunatica Aug 2013 #12

About the Reuters DEA Special Operations Division Story ProSense Aug 2013 #13

I'm waiting for someone to get busted for saying online that they smoked pot in the past. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #14

I don't think it's a crime to admit to having smoked pot in the past. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #16

Ever hear of "throwing the book at you"? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #18

Well in that case they should arrest President Obama and millions of others. totodeinhere Aug 2013 #29

Maybe we should start arresting the cops for disturbing the peace. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #38

their class doesn't go to jail for pot. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #112

Nor for cocaine, nor for a whole lot of other things Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #131

Not some of the cops I know. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #20

Well if they plant it on you then that's a different matter. n/t totodeinhere Aug 2013 #25

That's the plan. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #69

Some of them dream of "Punishment Park".... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #72

The third "P" being, of course Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #76

Or possibly use that info to search their homes under 'probable cause'. Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #109

So, it looks like we have to have legalization instead of just medical marijuana factsarenotfair Aug 2013 #17

yap Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #24

Oh yes NSA does have its own RQ-1A non-armed Predator drones TRoN33 Aug 2013 #26

It is quite safe to assume that no existing technology is unavailable to the NSA 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #32

+1000 VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #108

That is so Hunger Games..... NSA domestic drones. eilen Aug 2013 #39

"Recreate the information" suffragette Aug 2013 #31

Or to cover up the fact that the new NSA information dragnet is... Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #34

They have the budget and the technology. Ethics, conscience and accountability -not so much suffragette Aug 2013 #110

Exactly! ...nt dougolat Aug 2013 #124

Or that there was no warrant hootinholler Aug 2013 #40

Framing, yes it does sound like that. And it looks like informants and nations profit tremendously, suffragette Aug 2013 #49

Yes, that's the interesting part. SOP for SOD? leveymg Aug 2013 #41

Yes, and how far those recreations go. suffragette Aug 2013 #73

ex post facto-haha- kick. bobthedrummer Aug 2013 #153

What it all really adds up to is... Hubert Flottz Aug 2013 #33

yeah, I know. Sigh. n/t truedelphi Aug 2013 #123

Factor in the tens of thousands of cops and prison guards Zorra Aug 2013 #37

Question... I've Heard Of Motley Fool Before, BUT ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #57

LOL! You'll never believe this, but just as I finished reading your post, Zorra Aug 2013 #65

And I've Spent Many Years In The Trenches ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #74

Nah, similar story, I live in AZ and I feel the same way. Zorra Aug 2013 #80

Onward... ChiciB1 Aug 2013 #88

Neh Neh Neh Heh! that screw is just the beginning. truedelphi Aug 2013 #120

Don't forget the prison labor - TBF Aug 2013 #145

The national Police/Security State has already arrived 90-percent Aug 2013 #42

Sad ain't it? But they do it so they can make a paycheck. Rex Aug 2013 #53

Prison Labor Booms As Unemployment Remains High; Companies Reap Benefits Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #55

"normal investigative techniques to recreate the information provided by SOD." < in other words, jtuck004 Aug 2013 #59

Its perjury creeksneakers2 Aug 2013 #101

Prosecution witnesses lie all the time. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #133

Teachers? School Kids? Why, in another five years, we won't need any truedelphi Aug 2013 #122

Just guessing, Madmiddle Aug 2013 #60

Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #61

If the info was obtained illegally... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #62

I have lived in areas of the country that are supposedly conclaves of truedelphi Aug 2013 #158

The real significance is that this is now a Dem/Obama scandal, not a Bush scandal even though Coyotl Aug 2013 #63

SOD started under Clinton. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #68

And DOD coordination with DEA started in 1986 under Reagan stevenleser Aug 2013 #100

Oh, only a paranoid person would think they would use "terror fighting" powers to arrest pot smokers Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #66

Nice One! CanSocDem Aug 2013 #82

The whole of government is a parasite. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Aug 2013 #71

If we evaluate the successes and failures of the DEA, Enthusiast Aug 2013 #77

Cough. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #87

Yeah. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #126

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #79

That's WHY they're spying, duh. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #86

Yes..I get it...it's another very disturbing revelation on top of the others. KoKo Aug 2013 #90

WHAT story are you talking about? Th1onein Aug 2013 #91

nsa and dea teaming up questionseverything Aug 2013 #94

OMG. What the fuck is happening to this country? Th1onein Aug 2013 #98

And that's only a small part of the story. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #132

k & freakin r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #102

The NSA is feeding the information to the DEA. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #107

It is! It is! It is PROTECTING US AGAINST THE TERROR OF -NOT- BEING THROWN IN JAIL FOR SMOKING POT! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #114

And vice-versa, no doubt. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #134

Prohibition is a failed public policy...again. nt TeamPooka Aug 2013 #111

Not really. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #136

So when the drug war started it was so the NSA could collect data? TeamPooka Aug 2013 #146

It was used to suppress antiwar dissent in the Nixon years. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #148

actually is was originally done in 1937 to control the Mexican population... TeamPooka Aug 2013 #150

Indeed I do know that history. Anslinger and all that. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #151

They wouldn't lie to us, blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #113

This shit is despicable. blackspade Aug 2013 #116

So it was a good guess, and i am not as crazy as i thought i was. nolabels Aug 2013 #127

Thom Hartmann mentioned your thread on his show yesterday sellitman Aug 2013 #128

I really appreciate your letting me know. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #130

He had a whole segment on it. sellitman Aug 2013 #154

This would be the second time he picked up one of my DU rants. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #155

U.S. to review DEA unit that hides use of intel in crime cases ProSense Aug 2013 #135

Well that is just so special. truedelphi Aug 2013 #156

Don't worry, be happy. Safetykitten Aug 2013 #142

Excellent OP - should be required reading. nt TBF Aug 2013 #144

Beastly Berlum Aug 2013 #157