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democrank

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6. The older folks here know exactly what you`re writing about.

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 08:41 AM

Aug 2013

What a profoundly disappointing move the Democratic Party has made. With the center constantly being moved to the right, I hardly recognize the party anymore. Now we support personalities....at all cost, no matter what....rather than stand on long-held Democratic Party principles.

One thing for sure, the older folks here, without the benefit of a computer or cell phone, gathered to march against the Vietnam War, march for civil rights and march for women`s rights. We stood for what was right....no matter what. And we did it by the hundreds of thousands.

Today, many, many Democrats willingly support programs and policies they were against under George W. Bush....just because a "Democrat" is in the White House. It`s "win" at all cost, even if that means you flush your principles down the toilet. As far as I`m concerned, a hell of a lot has been flushed, because Washington is now a cesspool....with very, very few clean boots.

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Democrats' Move to the Right Profoundly Affects our Young People and Our Future. [View all] Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 OP

K&R for Truth Tellers Octafish Aug 2013 #1

K&R forestpath Aug 2013 #2

K&R.... daleanime Aug 2013 #3

Young folks simply don't know any better mick063 Aug 2013 #4

The defenders are partisans Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #5

The older folks here know exactly what you`re writing about. democrank Aug 2013 #6

Yep, the Reaction that began in the mid-'70s has been wildly successful deutsey Aug 2013 #9

THANK YOU Skittles Aug 2013 #191

Clinton moved center right too ...Obama the same ...and some want a repeat of that with Hillary. WTF L0oniX Aug 2013 #215

Obama had an army in 2009, he told them to sit in the corner while the grownups ran things Fumesucker Aug 2013 #7

Jesus Christ, what a missed opportunity. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #10

He had the Nobel Peace Prize before he ever actually did anything Fumesucker Aug 2013 #30

I feel your pain. ctsnowman Aug 2013 #62

The greatest failure in a century, maybe in our entire history. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #186

Isn't that whats wrong in America? No real patriotism and honor anymore... AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #189

Along with the loss of ambition to do great things. We'd rather not try than risk failing anymore Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #190

That's because he is their puppet. No vote rigging needed anymore. duffyduff Aug 2013 #222

Those young Dem voters represented the future of the real Dem party ...thrown under the bus. L0oniX Aug 2013 #218

I'll be even more base with my comment. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #18

That's cause we did. zeemike Aug 2013 #203

This ^^^^ ctsnowman Aug 2013 #61

+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #72

THAT will be the epitaph for the Obama Administration: bvar22 Aug 2013 #177

Fooled ya!!! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #197

In fairness, the Third Way/DLC/Blue Dogs in the House and Senate, Harry Reid in particular, Zorra Aug 2013 #195

Fooled ya!!! blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #198

Loosing that Obama Dem youth vote will be the worst mistake in the history of the Dem party. n/t L0oniX Aug 2013 #217

Both the 2008 and 2012 Democratic party platforms were well to the right of the 1956 Republican one. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #8

The bare, unvarnished truth on DU. Whodathunk, huh? RC Aug 2013 #11

Oh, "they'll" be along. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #13

There's no point in responding to the nonsense. They are not real Dems anyway. L0oniX Aug 2013 #216

What policies demonstrate a "sharp right turn"? n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #12

Those policies have been enumerated on this board, Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #14

You can't name them because there are no such policies. n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #15

They are so obvious to people who have lived it, or has paid attention. RC Aug 2013 #21

That's not a policy. Name the policies that demonstrate a "sharp right turn." n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #22

Apparently you can only understand Black and White. RC Aug 2013 #35

I prefer ProSense Aug 2013 #49

Just because you can't see them, doesn't mean they do not exist. RC Aug 2013 #50

Maybe no one wants to get bogged down in your sophistry here. /nt Marr Aug 2013 #78

That's not what "sophistry" means. gulliver Aug 2013 #181

I'm aware of the definition. Marr Aug 2013 #187

It started with leaving single payer Democrats out of the talks about health care. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #168

It started with focusing on health care without doing a thing about the economy duffyduff Aug 2013 #223

Actually, after reading the article I cite in the following post, I realized JDPriestly Aug 2013 #224

Drones ann--- Aug 2013 #36

student loan rate increases burnodo Aug 2013 #68

Are you serious? blackspade Aug 2013 #80

Yes, ProSense Aug 2013 #97

...I'm serious, and anybody can say anything presenting SKEWED facts. Phlem Aug 2013 #144

"Whatever Nonsense." ProSense Aug 2013 #150

OOO Phlem Aug 2013 #153

Ah, the usual self-aggrandizing blue links blackspade Aug 2013 #148

OMG..."blue links" ProSense Aug 2013 #151

More nonsense from ProSense blackspade Aug 2013 #156

And I responded with facts, and then you invoked "blue links" ProSense Aug 2013 #157

Your 'facts' link back to your own posts... blackspade Aug 2013 #159

LOL! What a nonsensical red herring. ProSense Aug 2013 #160

You would know. blackspade Aug 2013 #166

His capitulation on the extending the Bush tax cuts QuestForSense Aug 2013 #98

This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Aug 2013 #142

Here is just ONE of many: bvar22 Aug 2013 #124

So ProSense Aug 2013 #129

Oh, You want more? bvar22 Aug 2013 #133

LOL! How is ProSense Aug 2013 #140

Excuses...excuses.... but clearly you want MORE examples bvar22 Aug 2013 #147

Not ProSense Aug 2013 #149

Now THAT wasn't very convincing, was it. bvar22 Aug 2013 #162

Have you ever ProSense Aug 2013 #164

I didn't say I would implement Country of Origin Labeling, bvar22 Aug 2013 #169

"YOU Asked for IT!!!" (in big type) ProSense Aug 2013 #170

LOL bvar22 Aug 2013 #173

"Hoffa and Trumka know what it takes if they want access to the White House. " ProSense Aug 2013 #174

Are you really that far gone? Day one; before being sworn into office Barack Obama appoints Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #204

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #16

As a boomer living in WI, I often feel the earth has shifted beneath my feet... HereSince1628 Aug 2013 #17

Excellence response! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #29

Good post. The problems which came to full bloom in the late 70s..... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #46

I agree with the exception that I don't see today's youth as much different from us. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #19

I don't remember it that way at all. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #37

I'm offering the literature of the times. I think that which you claim is 'today's youth' Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #69

I'm the last one to claim perfection here. Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #71

Thank you for this. AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #20

Oh, they'll stop by alright, but will read just enough of it, to post some BS why is is wrong. RC Aug 2013 #26

Oh, I know... AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #41

Your argument is invalid because "binky" and "passie" are the same thing Orrex Aug 2013 #23

What is this word 'passie'? Never seen or heard it.... Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #25

I think he means 'pass�' (French) RC Aug 2013 #28

Pacifier Orrex Aug 2013 #31

Nice one. blackspade Aug 2013 #86

Pacifier Fumesucker Aug 2013 #34

LOL! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #40

:evilgrin: Orrex Aug 2013 #44

It's a tragedy G_j Aug 2013 #24

Almost as tho' they made SURE it would be thrown away kenny blankenship Aug 2013 #83

K&R, great post Broward Aug 2013 #27

Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #32

Which is why ann--- Aug 2013 #33

Advocating not voting for ANY Dems on a Dem site is sickening. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #85

Give us some real Dems to vote for, and we'll oblige. Fuddnik Aug 2013 #95

If keeping wingnuts out of those seats isn't incentive enough for you, how about the SCOTUS? SunSeeker Aug 2013 #107

It is "folks like you" LWolf Aug 2013 #102

Of course I'll work. And donate. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #106

But what for? LWolf Aug 2013 #108

At the very least, to elect Dems because they will not force women to have their rapists babies. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #110

Can you answer the question? nt LWolf Aug 2013 #120

I did. In other words, to preserve my ability to control my own body. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #123

THIS question: LWolf Aug 2013 #125

I am going to work to get DEMS elected, whether you think they're "neoliberals" or whatever. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #126

Okay. LWolf Aug 2013 #130

No, the disenfranchisement of the Dem base is caused by Republican voter ID/suppression laws. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #131

if D's are keeping abortion legal DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #146

as for me DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #141

And thus the march continues. nt LWolf Aug 2013 #143

so DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #145

no, it's the folks that accept republican policy from a democratic admin.. frylock Aug 2013 #115

The time to make that choice is in the primaries, not in the general election. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #118

i live in california.. frylock Aug 2013 #132

I do too. And no one said you're supposed to get enthusiastic about Hillary. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #134

living in california affords me the opportunity to vote my conscience.. frylock Aug 2013 #137

And that's how Republicans get elected. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #212

i don't owe you or the democrats jack shit.. frylock Aug 2013 #214

You owe your country a vote that assures a Republican not be elected President. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #228

It is clear that you do NOT understand Presidential Elections. bvar22 Aug 2013 #219

It is clear you do NOT understand how Republicans get elected in CA SunSeeker Aug 2013 #226

Oh, I see what your problem is. bvar22 Aug 2013 #234

LOL. No, you're describing YOUR problem. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #235

Please Proceed. bvar22 Aug 2013 #236

There's very few "safe states," especially with Republicans changing winner take all in blue states. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #237

I disagree that advocating for a non-Democratic vote is "sickening." Maedhros Aug 2013 #127

Why would you come to this site if you don't want to vote for Dems? nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #128

Because I believe in Democratic principles. Maedhros Aug 2013 #138

If you believe in Democratic principles, you should vote for Democrats. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #211

I'm inclined to vote for Democrats who believe in Democratic Principles. Maedhros Aug 2013 #220

ANY Dem is better than a Republican. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #225

No - some Democrats are indistinguishable from Republicans. Maedhros Aug 2013 #227

No, that is not reality. No Dem wants to force you to have your rapist's baby. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #229

And not all Republicans want that, either. Maedhros Aug 2013 #230

Her party does, and she supports her party. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #231

Here is Olympia Snowe's voting record on abortion issues Maedhros Aug 2013 #232

A DINO would not run against Snowe (she's not running again anyway). But she still supports the GOP SunSeeker Aug 2013 #233

It is fine as long as you are not doing it on a DEMOCRATIC site. SunSeeker Aug 2013 #210

I haven't pushed for third party candidates. Maedhros Aug 2013 #221

How is it that none of you ever think to look in the mirror when assigning blame Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #205

It does not sound like you're a member of the Democratic party. nt SunSeeker Aug 2013 #209

I have been waiting for big change sorefeet Aug 2013 #38

YOur Mouth To God's Ear!!! BlueManFan Aug 2013 #65

Reagan was a Reactionary. It's critical to understand what he reacted to as these issues remain... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #39

Did you see Post #17? Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #43

Thanks for pointing out that post. Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #45

Young people had no idea what politics and governing were really like. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #42

You could drive a truck through the massive gaps of history lacking in this OP BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #56

assuming this was meant for the OP nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #57

Guess you missed the last graph nt BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #58

as a favor, could you pretend that I'm an idiot and explain geek tragedy Aug 2013 #59

To quote our convalescing friend George W. Bush BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #60

Yes it is. Takes work and patience. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #64

Thanks, Le Taz. K&R. antigop Aug 2013 #47

A sad k&r from this boomer . . .n/t annabanana Aug 2013 #48

Kick democrank Aug 2013 #51

Don't forget continued job offshoring ...gotta wonder about cheerleaders antigop Aug 2013 #52

Sad K&R. Too much to say. Overseas Aug 2013 #53

At least it's possible for some people to speak the truth here. KUDOS!! nt matthews Aug 2013 #54

I voted for President Obama twice justiceischeap Aug 2013 #55

"Ronnie the Saint" fredamae Aug 2013 #66

Too true! nt justiceischeap Aug 2013 #70

Yes. LWolf Aug 2013 #103

I'm also a boomer 90-percent Aug 2013 #63

If I've somehow conveyed to you Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #67

Wasn't directed at you in the least 90-percent Aug 2013 #79

I enjoy and agree with a lot of your posts Lifelong Protester Aug 2013 #135

I see the lesser-of-two-evils voting strategy to be exactly what you describe. Maedhros Aug 2013 #136

+1000 blackspade Aug 2013 #73

The most oversimplified overview of American History treestar Aug 2013 #74

Obama is indeed a big factor 90-percent Aug 2013 #82

The assassination of a President and mere election of one treestar Aug 2013 #112

The absolute truth. 1000 x rec! If I could! on point Aug 2013 #75

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #76

Yeah. I lived it. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #77

You are writing the truth TM99 Aug 2013 #81

Instead of talking about young people and speculating about what they think perhaps totodeinhere Aug 2013 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Aug 2013 #87

Good grief! Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #88

What about your false claim that support for President Obama among younger voters declined in totodeinhere Aug 2013 #92

Beautiful posts from you. Very well said. Number23 Aug 2013 #183

No really? So there is a reason for all the young right leaning kiddies? Who woulda thunk! Safetykitten Aug 2013 #89

boomer here LittleGirl Aug 2013 #90

Good OP Taz Hydra Aug 2013 #91

I hope I live to see that opt out. LWolf Aug 2013 #104

We have to try Hydra Aug 2013 #121

The issue is one of Trajectory! HenryWallace Aug 2013 #93

Obama's failures. hay rick Aug 2013 #94

I'm reminded of a line in the movie "The American President." CrispyQ Aug 2013 #213

Kick and Rec! Fuddnik Aug 2013 #96

Kick n/t AngryOldDem Aug 2013 #99

It's the Jon Stewart generation Fearless Aug 2013 #100

K&R Sadly this is true Bryn Aug 2013 #101

"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are 'It might have been". kentuck Aug 2013 #105

Exactly - TBF Aug 2013 #111

I ask myself why LWolf Aug 2013 #119

+1 Well said, my friend. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #206

If you go back and look at some of his old video clip he was always pro business. A lot of people JRLeft Aug 2013 #109

Not to slam the OP because on the whole, I agree ... Myrina Aug 2013 #113

Lyndon Johnson was remarkable, yet is relatively unknown NAO Aug 2013 #114

The Problem with Johnson's legacy is that it's tied to Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #117

AMEN! bvar22 Aug 2013 #139

I recall feeling the fix was in during the 2008 primaries... cascadiance Aug 2013 #116

No change. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #199

Yep, K&R. Obama blew a golden opportunity quinnox Aug 2013 #122

I wish you were wrong on so many levels. leveymg Aug 2013 #152

"Never let a good crisis go to waste." kentuck Aug 2013 #154

The usual apologists are furiously spinning bowens43 Aug 2013 #155

Yep, talks the talk with eyes on the bold and the daring... WCGreen Aug 2013 #161

PUT THEM ALL ON IGNORE!!!! Skittles Aug 2013 #193

K and R Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #158

Kick democrank Aug 2013 #163

I'm ten years behind you so I don't know what they call us BrainMann1 Aug 2013 #165

Standing Ovation K&R!!! nt Zorra Aug 2013 #167

ok, correct me if I'm wrong. Sarah Ibarruri Aug 2013 #171

Hope, change and disappointment locks Aug 2013 #172

Getting time for a new party for Democrats bl968 Aug 2013 #175

I am in my early 30's.. Notafraidtoo Aug 2013 #176

Bravo!!! bvar22 Aug 2013 #179

Kick n-t Logical Aug 2013 #178

Start the military draft .. again. That seems to get young folks engaged .. pretty quickly too. YOHABLO Aug 2013 #180

Their move to the right will be w/o me. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Aug 2013 #182

very well said! nashville_brook Aug 2013 #184

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #185

Obama and Hillary should've gotten out of the way, We NEEDED a REAL HERO AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #188

truly sad failure this president has been, retrograde in so many ways,.. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #192

corporate health INSURANCE Skittles Aug 2013 #194

The phony Democrats we've been allowed to vote for have been selling us out for decades. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #196

Although it's not all his fault (Pelosi and Reid "helped"), Obama's time in office Doctor_J Aug 2013 #200

As another old timer tiredtoo Aug 2013 #201

Opportunity squandered. Great post. n/t DirkGently Aug 2013 #202

I knew in 2008 that he was the largest receipient of Wall Street cash of any candidate in history Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #207

Exactly deancr Aug 2013 #208