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jimlup

(7,968 posts)
103. All of your criticism is unfounded and unfair...
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 02:22 PM
Aug 2013

Think about what you are saying. You have no meaning in what you say. You too are guilty of armchair analysis. Few are alive today who actually experienced the war and that experience is highly colored by the position they were in. To objectively study the situation does require some detachment.

Why would you be so ridiculus as to ask if I like to walk around with a rock in my shoe. That is a very unfair statement and intended to imply a personal attack.

Using it was unjustified jimlup Aug 2013 #1
perhaps Bully Taw Aug 2013 #5
Unlikely that it actually took two... jimlup Aug 2013 #36
it is, in fact... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #101
All of your criticism is unfounded and unfair... jimlup Aug 2013 #103
not at all Bully Taw Aug 2013 #107
WHich jimlup Aug 2013 #110
no, I won't Bully Taw Aug 2013 #113
And you are wrong dbackjon Aug 2013 #7
Including General Eisenhower. What would he know? ET Awful Aug 2013 #14
Eisenhower never fought the Japanese dbackjon Aug 2013 #17
So your position is that Eisenhower didn't know anything . . . . ET Awful Aug 2013 #18
No - reading comprehension dbackjon Aug 2013 #19
Who are these commanders? former9thward Aug 2013 #33
You would be referring to the commanders that Eisenhower communicated with regularly ET Awful Aug 2013 #38
Would you please name the Pacific theater commanders who thought the bomb was necessary? Jim Lane Aug 2013 #133
Eisenhower was in charge of the Europeon Theater of the war, tumtum Aug 2013 #21
Little hint for you . . . ET Awful Aug 2013 #40
This would be the same Eisenhower Nevernose Aug 2013 #66
I'm not referring to moral highground. ET Awful Aug 2013 #94
MacArthur and Nimitz did, and they were both opposed to using the bomb. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #23
I've always found it hard to reconcile what Eisenhower said with what he did. 1monster Aug 2013 #52
Eisenhower only warned against the MIC in his farewell address OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #111
The error in Eisenhower's thinking is that the Japanese military were nowhere near 'ready HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #24
The were "ready to surrender"?...Funny, then, that they whathehell Aug 2013 #88
Sorry but if you actually study the history you will discover that your statement is the mythology jimlup Aug 2013 #25
I have read plenty of WWII history dbackjon Aug 2013 #32
He didn't call you a war criminal. It never happened. ET Awful Aug 2013 #41
You have reading comprehesion issues dbackjon Aug 2013 #73
Nobody called you a war criminal. And, you're just making it worse. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #75
Hmmm. . . what he actually said was ET Awful Aug 2013 #96
I have great reading comprehension dbackjon Aug 2013 #97
No, he's not. You really DO have a problem with comprehension. ET Awful Aug 2013 #99
Estimated Casualties, Military Sources ozone82 Aug 2013 #127
Japan was ready to surrender. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #61
No, they were not. dbackjon Aug 2013 #134
Yes, they were. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #135
You've bought the myth. hunter Aug 2013 #65
Explain Nagasaki jberryhill Aug 2013 #77
Did they surrender after Hiroshima? dbackjon Aug 2013 #81
They had not fully assessed the situation jberryhill Aug 2013 #87
Yet, the day after Nagasaki, Hirohito ordered the Japanese to begin the surrender process dbackjon Aug 2013 #91
Good post. Add Peleliu to that list... SidDithers Aug 2013 #142
Peleliu need never happened. zappaman Aug 2013 #145
I'd never heard of Peleliu until watching HBO's The Pacific... SidDithers Aug 2013 #146
We also went into the tunnels the Japanese had dug. zappaman Aug 2013 #147
Thanks. I'll try and find them... SidDithers Aug 2013 #149
My opinion has always been MicaelS Aug 2013 #22
I don't disagree with your position but jimlup Aug 2013 #26
The justification was to end the war as quickly as possible.. MicaelS Aug 2013 #35
Ending the war "as quickly as possible" jimlup Aug 2013 #39
Hell, WWII itself was immoral start to finish. MicaelS Aug 2013 #46
Hindsight is easy jimlup Aug 2013 #55
That's the thing. We've never used an atomic weapon in anger since, and neither has anyone else. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #60
The only military weapon in history that hasn't been used over and over. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #70
Was firebomning Dresden and Tokyo war crimes? dbackjon Aug 2013 #74
So, by that logic ("as soon as it was ready it was going to be used", the actual status of Japan's ET Awful Aug 2013 #98
It was going to be used unless... MicaelS Aug 2013 #102
Outstanding post. tumtum Aug 2013 #27
If you look honestly jimlup Aug 2013 #43
We're in the same boat - lynne Aug 2013 #68
An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have cost an estimated 1 million HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #28
Had it been dropped on Berlin, I would say exactly the same thing I say now. ET Awful Aug 2013 #44
Straw man argument. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #64
I'd have the same reaction regardless of whether the bomb had been dropped on Berlin or Hiroshima... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #136
That's certainly one point of view LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #31
+1000 Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #57
Curtis LeMay said if the US lost the war, he'd be rightfully hanged as a war criminal. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2
hmm burnodo Aug 2013 #9
Guy ran for president with George Wallace (D-Alabama) on an Independent ticket in 1968. Octafish Aug 2013 #20
If you're going to caution people not to be assholes, you might want to change your own tone. Throd Aug 2013 #3
+ 1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #6
The Japanese were the aggressors treestar Aug 2013 #4
Exactly dbackjon Aug 2013 #8
One book "The Imperial Cruise" by the guy who wrote "Flags of our Fathers" rwsanders Aug 2013 #11
Using that as the standard, Iraq would be justified in carrying out ET Awful Aug 2013 #49
Quite true. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #63
If you insist on seeing it that way. treestar Aug 2013 #72
So might makes right in your estimation? n/t ET Awful Aug 2013 #92
In a reality way treestar Aug 2013 #100
Word salad. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #108
No. treestar Aug 2013 #130
Don't pick fights with innocent bystanders, and then complain when you lose. closeupready Aug 2013 #10
Who are you talking about? Because all of those dead Japanese families were pretty innocent. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #78
The Japanese. They started it. closeupready Aug 2013 #79
Got it. If I'm an innocent person born into a country that has aggressive leaders... Dawgs Aug 2013 #82
The Japanese initiated hostilities, and refused to stop. closeupready Aug 2013 #84
So, killing thousands upon thousands of innocent families was the only option, in your opinion? n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #85
That was a decision made by their Emperor's Department of War. closeupready Aug 2013 #86
Sounds like a great 'stand your ground' argument. 'Don't blame me. They forced me to do it.' n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #89
If it comes down to you or me, me wins. closeupready Aug 2013 #95
Easy to say. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Dawgs Aug 2013 #124
haha!!! Bully Taw Aug 2013 #126
Sound logic. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #105
Whatever dewd. We won. You lost. Get over it. closeupready Aug 2013 #109
"you lost" ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #117
Ask the people of Shanghai what they think of Japan. Jimvanhise Aug 2013 #12
Technical Note: The Nazis victimized anyone they considered "Untermenschen" (sub-human) with HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #30
The Japanese didn't invent suicide bombers... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #138
I used to read old Life Magazines. SheilaT Aug 2013 #13
The bombs were not necessary Hydra Aug 2013 #15
this is an interesting post el_bryanto Aug 2013 #16
What's done is done, and it cannot be undone. Shame on ALL of you for turning this into a kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #29
"feel the need to do it again" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #137
There's no "debate" here. There IS a whole lot of blaming dead people for kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #143
Every analysis of war should look at both sides... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #34
And why did Japan attack... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #37
In 1852 we taught them how to be an expansionist imperial force. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #45
Yes, trace it back to Commodore Perry. Bonobo Aug 2013 #47
Didn't learn our lesson. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #50
You really don't know? ET Awful Aug 2013 #53
Phillyindy is asking a leading question. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #54
But why did the US adopt... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #69
Yet the US did nothing in the face of British imperialism in the late 1800's and early 1900's. ET Awful Aug 2013 #114
We DID take action against the UK - in 1776. closeupready Aug 2013 #116
Irrelevant. You made the argument that the reason the US imposed an oil embargo against ET Awful Aug 2013 #129
Sorry. Had to work for a while... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #131
The British were killing huge numbers of innocent civilians in places like India. ET Awful Aug 2013 #132
That's politics, my friend... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #144
IMO... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #58
And both made civilians targets, deliberately. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #62
That's right... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #67
Well said dbackjon Aug 2013 #76
When one tries to minimize the holocaust, they're discredited. joshcryer Aug 2013 #140
Right on all counts... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #141
One thing missing is the Geneva Conventions didn't protect civilians. joshcryer Aug 2013 #148
The book 'Hiroshima' by John Hersey told me everything I needed to know about the justification AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #42
Completely justified. The Link Aug 2013 #48
Tell me more. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #118
The USA was in a big hurry to test the bombs on living cities before the war ended. hunter Aug 2013 #51
It was totally unjustified. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #56
One Can Argue There Is Revisionism In Both Directions ProfessorGAC Aug 2013 #59
Thank you. n/t whathehell Aug 2013 #93
Wars are state sanctioned mass murders. Rex Aug 2013 #71
Amazing that so many here are defending the killing of so many innocent people. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #80
Yes, you know how DU works. Someone has to be right and someone else Rex Aug 2013 #83
It is amazing. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #104
Not just defend. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #121
Well said, Bonobo RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #90
And starting now, every year I'm going to post this; Rex Aug 2013 #112
And every year we see the same bullshit apologetics Catherina Aug 2013 #115
Nationalism is a disease. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #119
Speak for yourself. closeupready Aug 2013 #120
The diseased often don't know it. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #122
Thank you. I personally have never understood nationalism/patriotism. Dawgs Aug 2013 #123
Its a good tool for the powers that be. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #125
Thank you, Bonobo! Th1onein Aug 2013 #128
I acknowledge American war crimes. joshcryer Aug 2013 #139
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