Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
46. Only if you weren't paying attention.
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 02:46 PM
Aug 2013

I acknowledge that most simply focused on the fact that he publicly "opposed" the war before it started and before he got to Congress, and didn't pay attention to what he said and did after. Is that an excuse for "having no idea?"

As a matter of fact, both he and HRC voted consistently to fund the Iraq war up until 2007, when they were looking at the primary race. He did sometimes criticize the Iraq War; key word being "Iraq." He wanted to focus the war on terror in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In 2007, he said he was open to unilateral action against Al Qaeda in Pakistan, with or without the permission of the Pakistani government. He also talked about wanting to send more troops to Afghanistan.

He was clearly hawkish on the War on Terror long before people started voting for him in primaries. So if Democrats "had no idea," why is that? Were they so caught up in the primary wars that they weren't paying attention? Was Democratic attention and awareness selective?

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Was that a well reasoned letter, or what? THe author is right: we're snappyturtle Aug 2013 #1
The OP didn't reproduce the letter. Here's part: Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #54
I Was Too Upset At The Time... Here's The Entire Letter: WillyT Aug 2013 #58
Thanks for posting the letter in its entirety theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #61
Jesus fucking Christ. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #2
I just hate being the bad guys. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #3
Murder being done in our name theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #4
The reason we can't is they have done a truly effective job of dehumianizing over a billion sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #5
I had a post hidden not too long ago for exactly that reason. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #6
When you're defending the indefensible, you cannot look at what it is you are really defending. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #8
Agreed. And they have effectively enacted an out right BAN on any of our WAR IMAGES usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #7
Yes! theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #10
Maybe ordinary people need to do it themselves. I remember someone leaving fliers in super sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #12
'outraged by the photos' rather than the crimes theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #13
Yes. It really is up to us these days, and with the internet, we do have a lot more power usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #15
I never saw any ban on war photos, so long as they had a warning in the headline. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #19
Good to know usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #21
He/she is talking about me Le Taz Hot Aug 2013 #39
sadly G_j Aug 2013 #17
Combine that with the fact that the spoiled kids of the middle-, upper-middle and upper HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #37
I truly believe... theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #9
Photos of My Lai and a little girl running naked down the road after being hit with matthews Aug 2013 #41
or "taqiyya gay-killing woman-stoning superstitionists who secretly want to take over the world" MisterP Aug 2013 #45
"I would appreciate the courtesy of a reply." (Crying) Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #11
It is a truly sad letter. But as he points and it is a fact, the more innocent people they kill sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #14
It's as if a rabbi is begging for dignified consideration from the nazis Luminous Animal Aug 2013 #24
One thing is for sure, he will not receive any response to his plea. I hate to do so, sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #26
That's appalling. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #16
"We have met the enemy and he is us." theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #20
Sadly appropriate. Blue_In_AK Aug 2013 #22
This war "is a just war - a war waged proportionally, in last resort, and in self-defense." progressoid Aug 2013 #18
These drones are not very accurate! Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2013 #23
Guys, it's okay when WE do it. It's not like we are Republicans or something. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #25
Thanks, I almost forgot. Drones don't kill people as dead as they did when Bush was doing it. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #27
Just let the letter in front of the name determine your values. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #30
'Making terrorists faster than we can kill them' was a bumper-sticker during the * regime, it seems Mnemosyne Aug 2013 #28
Damn. I'll do it. tblue Aug 2013 #29
My number one issue with Obama is that he has made this normal for Democrats... Bonobo Aug 2013 #31
This is so fucking wrong-headed. WTF is Obama thinking on this? 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #32
It's like General William Westmoreland has been rehabilitated and his strategy HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #38
We're guilty, by association with this corrupt Administration. blkmusclmachine Aug 2013 #33
No, we're not. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #34
Only if you weren't paying attention. LWolf Aug 2013 #46
I guess so. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #47
Moving forward LWolf Aug 2013 #48
I think a lot more people will pay attention. darkangel218 Aug 2013 #50
Well, I'll be there. LWolf Aug 2013 #51
+1 darkangel218 Aug 2013 #53
Morning Kick !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #35
And Another... WillyT Aug 2013 #36
One More... WillyT Aug 2013 #42
Almost Done... WillyT Aug 2013 #56
Second To Last Kick From Me... WillyT Aug 2013 #57
I feel so sick Bryn Aug 2013 #40
''What's the big deal? They were just Arabs?'' Octafish Aug 2013 #43
k & r theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #44
yes? snooper2 Aug 2013 #49
Do you find this topic amusing? theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #52
Somebody sent a query for me snooper2 Aug 2013 #55
What a shame... theHandpuppet Aug 2013 #60
look, I'm a real busy being... snooper2 Aug 2013 #62
The proponents of endless war do not felix_numinous Aug 2013 #59
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»UPDATED: See Post #58... ...»Reply #46