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38. In fairness...

Reply to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 04:57 PM

Aug 2013

"Japan was ready to capitulate and was arguing for a conditional surrender to retain their emperor. Obviously, they unconditionally surrendered, but still got to keep their emperor. There was no need to use the bombs."

Nobody in the US command knew that for certain. Some suspected. Some may have even believed it to be true, but until the deal was done, that was not certain. Recall that the ship that delivered the bombs to the forward operating point didn't survive the war. Japan was still inflicting casualties. And insofar as honest negotiations, at least some members of the US government were likely biased to believe offers of surrender/negotiations, precisely because of the manner in which the war started. (Pearl Harbor)

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Fact #4 - not so factual. Aristus Aug 2013 #6

I will take it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #9

Nice try, but... TheLion Aug 2013 #12

You do know it, but for Aristus sake nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #57

East Asia Tin Works (300y from blast point) made teddy bears. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #31

A particular point zipplewrath Aug 2013 #7

This major was a hard core member of the no surrender club nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #8

The coup attempt is a very forgotten piece of history... sarisataka Aug 2013 #11

It was the first time in history the vast majority of Japanese people had ever heard his voice. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #32

"Which you obviously do not know"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #10

Sorry, but going to have to disagree with you, Nadin. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #13

you are disagreeing a lot less nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #15

I still love ya! Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #17

seriously you disagreed a lot less than you thought nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #34

In fairness... AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #38

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I suspect you are right nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #25

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It's simple... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #39

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It was... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51

So they are special and everybody else nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #53

Logically invalid. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #46

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A new type of weapon that I hate to say it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #81

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Bold post. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #27

+1 N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #29

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Irony much? L0oniX Aug 2013 #37

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absolutely, but that has to do with contant release nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #50

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There were no good choices for decades to follow. reusrename Aug 2013 #65

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You are right, it is not true nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #49

Nadine, they were negotiating peace with us before we dropped the bomb on them. Th1onein Aug 2013 #60

Not quite, they were talking to the swiss representatives nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #61

I don't think that you are correct. Th1onein Aug 2013 #77

Yes, but the division in the high command was real nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #79

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Yes they were. They were more than just that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #69

I had a relative on the island of Tinian when the bombs were there, Nadin. roamer65 Aug 2013 #71

I know...one of the vets at the Red Cross in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #72

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After reading the history...I am never unhappy with a cloudy day. roamer65 Aug 2013 #76