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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald: Embassy Closings Looks Like A Conspiracy To Silence NSA Debate [View all]JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Is the NSA lying when they still claim they aren't collecting phone calls of millions of Americans? Yes. They've redefined it so that it's only "collecting" once they search within it with one of their secret court blanket warrants, but of course they have collected it to store it in the first place.
As a result of revelations of its constitutional violations (that even caused a defunding vote to fall short by just 7 votes in the House) is the NSA in a crisis of sorts, the greatest in its history? Certainly.
So, established: NSA lies. Intelligence agencies lie (and see this as their duty, the fuckers). They are engaged in criminal activity that is being exposed. They have motive to lie at the moment.
Will politicians in Congress and White House do the bobble-head nodding "yes" to any bullshit about "chatter" that comes out of the NSA? Absolutely, after 13 years of terror-war fearmongering and especially after the Benghazi hysteria.
Does the NSA's chatter about potential terror attacks come at a very convenient time? Sure, just like all those times Democrats were ready to say terror warnings were only being issued because Bush's approval ratings were falling.
Does this mean this chatter is bullshit this time? Possibly. Of course it's also possible real people in Yemen et al. actually have a strong motive to blow up Americans, rightly or wrongly. Since of course an illegal global war is waged on their people by the USG. As was already the case back in 2001.
Does any of this require a "conspiracy" between Obama and Graham? Hell no. Those are the civilian bobbleheads. Wait too high up to actually ever possibly follow all the details and know what's the substance of the chatter.