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Using it was unjustified jimlup Aug 2013 #1
perhaps Bully Taw Aug 2013 #5
Unlikely that it actually took two... jimlup Aug 2013 #36
it is, in fact... Bully Taw Aug 2013 #101
All of your criticism is unfounded and unfair... jimlup Aug 2013 #103
not at all Bully Taw Aug 2013 #107
WHich jimlup Aug 2013 #110
no, I won't Bully Taw Aug 2013 #113
And you are wrong dbackjon Aug 2013 #7
Including General Eisenhower. What would he know? ET Awful Aug 2013 #14
Eisenhower never fought the Japanese dbackjon Aug 2013 #17
So your position is that Eisenhower didn't know anything . . . . ET Awful Aug 2013 #18
No - reading comprehension dbackjon Aug 2013 #19
Who are these commanders? former9thward Aug 2013 #33
You would be referring to the commanders that Eisenhower communicated with regularly ET Awful Aug 2013 #38
Would you please name the Pacific theater commanders who thought the bomb was necessary? Jim Lane Aug 2013 #133
Eisenhower was in charge of the Europeon Theater of the war, tumtum Aug 2013 #21
Little hint for you . . . ET Awful Aug 2013 #40
This would be the same Eisenhower Nevernose Aug 2013 #66
I'm not referring to moral highground. ET Awful Aug 2013 #94
MacArthur and Nimitz did, and they were both opposed to using the bomb. NuclearDem Aug 2013 #23
I've always found it hard to reconcile what Eisenhower said with what he did. 1monster Aug 2013 #52
Eisenhower only warned against the MIC in his farewell address OnlinePoker Aug 2013 #111
The error in Eisenhower's thinking is that the Japanese military were nowhere near 'ready HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #24
The were "ready to surrender"?...Funny, then, that they whathehell Aug 2013 #88
Sorry but if you actually study the history you will discover that your statement is the mythology jimlup Aug 2013 #25
I have read plenty of WWII history dbackjon Aug 2013 #32
He didn't call you a war criminal. It never happened. ET Awful Aug 2013 #41
You have reading comprehesion issues dbackjon Aug 2013 #73
Nobody called you a war criminal. And, you're just making it worse. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #75
Hmmm. . . what he actually said was ET Awful Aug 2013 #96
I have great reading comprehension dbackjon Aug 2013 #97
No, he's not. You really DO have a problem with comprehension. ET Awful Aug 2013 #99
Estimated Casualties, Military Sources ozone82 Aug 2013 #127
Japan was ready to surrender. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #61
No, they were not. dbackjon Aug 2013 #134
Yes, they were. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #135
You've bought the myth. hunter Aug 2013 #65
Explain Nagasaki jberryhill Aug 2013 #77
Did they surrender after Hiroshima? dbackjon Aug 2013 #81
They had not fully assessed the situation jberryhill Aug 2013 #87
Yet, the day after Nagasaki, Hirohito ordered the Japanese to begin the surrender process dbackjon Aug 2013 #91
Good post. Add Peleliu to that list... SidDithers Aug 2013 #142
Peleliu need never happened. zappaman Aug 2013 #145
I'd never heard of Peleliu until watching HBO's The Pacific... SidDithers Aug 2013 #146
We also went into the tunnels the Japanese had dug. zappaman Aug 2013 #147
Thanks. I'll try and find them... SidDithers Aug 2013 #149
My opinion has always been MicaelS Aug 2013 #22
I don't disagree with your position but jimlup Aug 2013 #26
The justification was to end the war as quickly as possible.. MicaelS Aug 2013 #35
Ending the war "as quickly as possible" jimlup Aug 2013 #39
Hell, WWII itself was immoral start to finish. MicaelS Aug 2013 #46
Hindsight is easy jimlup Aug 2013 #55
That's the thing. We've never used an atomic weapon in anger since, and neither has anyone else. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #60
The only military weapon in history that hasn't been used over and over. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #70
Was firebomning Dresden and Tokyo war crimes? dbackjon Aug 2013 #74
So, by that logic ("as soon as it was ready it was going to be used", the actual status of Japan's ET Awful Aug 2013 #98
It was going to be used unless... MicaelS Aug 2013 #102
Outstanding post. tumtum Aug 2013 #27
If you look honestly jimlup Aug 2013 #43
We're in the same boat - lynne Aug 2013 #68
An invasion of the Japanese home islands would have cost an estimated 1 million HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #28
Had it been dropped on Berlin, I would say exactly the same thing I say now. ET Awful Aug 2013 #44
Straw man argument. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #64
I'd have the same reaction regardless of whether the bomb had been dropped on Berlin or Hiroshima... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #136
That's certainly one point of view LordGlenconner Aug 2013 #31
+1000 Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #57
Curtis LeMay said if the US lost the war, he'd be rightfully hanged as a war criminal. geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2
hmm burnodo Aug 2013 #9
Guy ran for president with George Wallace (D-Alabama) on an Independent ticket in 1968. Octafish Aug 2013 #20
If you're going to caution people not to be assholes, you might want to change your own tone. Throd Aug 2013 #3
+ 1 SunSeeker Aug 2013 #6
The Japanese were the aggressors treestar Aug 2013 #4
Exactly dbackjon Aug 2013 #8
One book "The Imperial Cruise" by the guy who wrote "Flags of our Fathers" rwsanders Aug 2013 #11
Using that as the standard, Iraq would be justified in carrying out ET Awful Aug 2013 #49
Quite true. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #63
If you insist on seeing it that way. treestar Aug 2013 #72
So might makes right in your estimation? n/t ET Awful Aug 2013 #92
In a reality way treestar Aug 2013 #100
Word salad. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #108
No. treestar Aug 2013 #130
Don't pick fights with innocent bystanders, and then complain when you lose. closeupready Aug 2013 #10
Who are you talking about? Because all of those dead Japanese families were pretty innocent. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #78
The Japanese. They started it. closeupready Aug 2013 #79
Got it. If I'm an innocent person born into a country that has aggressive leaders... Dawgs Aug 2013 #82
The Japanese initiated hostilities, and refused to stop. closeupready Aug 2013 #84
So, killing thousands upon thousands of innocent families was the only option, in your opinion? n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #85
That was a decision made by their Emperor's Department of War. closeupready Aug 2013 #86
Sounds like a great 'stand your ground' argument. 'Don't blame me. They forced me to do it.' n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #89
If it comes down to you or me, me wins. closeupready Aug 2013 #95
Easy to say. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Dawgs Aug 2013 #124
haha!!! Bully Taw Aug 2013 #126
Sound logic. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #105
Whatever dewd. We won. You lost. Get over it. closeupready Aug 2013 #109
"you lost" ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #117
Ask the people of Shanghai what they think of Japan. Jimvanhise Aug 2013 #12
Technical Note: The Nazis victimized anyone they considered "Untermenschen" (sub-human) with HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #30
The Japanese didn't invent suicide bombers... Violet_Crumble Aug 2013 #138
I used to read old Life Magazines. SheilaT Aug 2013 #13
The bombs were not necessary Hydra Aug 2013 #15
this is an interesting post el_bryanto Aug 2013 #16
What's done is done, and it cannot be undone. Shame on ALL of you for turning this into a kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #29
"feel the need to do it again" usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #137
There's no "debate" here. There IS a whole lot of blaming dead people for kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #143
Every analysis of war should look at both sides... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #34
And why did Japan attack... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #37
In 1852 we taught them how to be an expansionist imperial force. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #45
Yes, trace it back to Commodore Perry. Bonobo Aug 2013 #47
Didn't learn our lesson. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #50
You really don't know? ET Awful Aug 2013 #53
Phillyindy is asking a leading question. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #54
But why did the US adopt... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #69
Yet the US did nothing in the face of British imperialism in the late 1800's and early 1900's. ET Awful Aug 2013 #114
We DID take action against the UK - in 1776. closeupready Aug 2013 #116
Irrelevant. You made the argument that the reason the US imposed an oil embargo against ET Awful Aug 2013 #129
Sorry. Had to work for a while... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #131
The British were killing huge numbers of innocent civilians in places like India. ET Awful Aug 2013 #132
That's politics, my friend... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #144
IMO... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #58
And both made civilians targets, deliberately. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #62
That's right... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #67
Well said dbackjon Aug 2013 #76
When one tries to minimize the holocaust, they're discredited. joshcryer Aug 2013 #140
Right on all counts... Whiskeytide Aug 2013 #141
One thing missing is the Geneva Conventions didn't protect civilians. joshcryer Aug 2013 #148
The book 'Hiroshima' by John Hersey told me everything I needed to know about the justification AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #42
Completely justified. The Link Aug 2013 #48
Tell me more. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #118
The USA was in a big hurry to test the bombs on living cities before the war ended. hunter Aug 2013 #51
It was totally unjustified. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #56
One Can Argue There Is Revisionism In Both Directions ProfessorGAC Aug 2013 #59
Thank you. n/t whathehell Aug 2013 #93
Wars are state sanctioned mass murders. Rex Aug 2013 #71
Amazing that so many here are defending the killing of so many innocent people. n/t Dawgs Aug 2013 #80
Yes, you know how DU works. Someone has to be right and someone else Rex Aug 2013 #83
It is amazing. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #104
Not just defend. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #121
Well said, Bonobo RedCappedBandit Aug 2013 #90
And starting now, every year I'm going to post this; Rex Aug 2013 #112
And every year we see the same bullshit apologetics Catherina Aug 2013 #115
Nationalism is a disease. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #119
Speak for yourself. closeupready Aug 2013 #120
The diseased often don't know it. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #122
Thank you. I personally have never understood nationalism/patriotism. Dawgs Aug 2013 #123
Its a good tool for the powers that be. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2013 #125
Thank you, Bonobo! Th1onein Aug 2013 #128
I acknowledge American war crimes. joshcryer Aug 2013 #139
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