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DisgustipatedinCA

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75. You're right about the altitude, but from 1950 or from 10,000, precision is not the main benefit

Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:24 PM

Aug 2013

I get that Nadin was saying that the city as a whole was a center of military production, but we obviously didn't care about civilian casualties, and these were not precision bombings (of course, most modern "precision" bombings aren't--precise, that is).

I'm a student of the Second World War, and I'm still not sure how I feel about the bombings, fwiw. Thanks for the correction on the altitude.

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About those Russians jberryhill Aug 2013 #1

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Ahem. n/t Aerows Aug 2013 #16

in Asia after 1945 with atomic weapons. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #28

If I had been in Truman's shoes at the time, Sherman A1 Aug 2013 #2

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So the citizens of a nation Phillyindy Aug 2013 #24

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Though I generally defend their use AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #30

This exact post was hidden in another thread. nolabear Aug 2013 #59

Looks like the juries are 2/2 AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #62

Studying history is not a strong point with a lot of people. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #4

It could easily be that the bombs saved a lot of Japanese lives. Even if we brewens Aug 2013 #5

Fact #4 - not so factual. Aristus Aug 2013 #6

I will take it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #9

Nice try, but... TheLion Aug 2013 #12

You do know it, but for Aristus sake nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #57

East Asia Tin Works (300y from blast point) made teddy bears. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #31

A particular point zipplewrath Aug 2013 #7

This major was a hard core member of the no surrender club nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #8

The coup attempt is a very forgotten piece of history... sarisataka Aug 2013 #11

It was the first time in history the vast majority of Japanese people had ever heard his voice. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #32

"Which you obviously do not know"... ljm2002 Aug 2013 #10

Sorry, but going to have to disagree with you, Nadin. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #13

you are disagreeing a lot less nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #15

I still love ya! Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #17

seriously you disagreed a lot less than you thought nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #34

In fairness... AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #38

Regarding the Soviet invasion.. Posteritatis Aug 2013 #14

Yes, I understand that there was an agreement. Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2013 #18

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I suspect you are right nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #25

+1 eggplant Aug 2013 #40

You called it right. tumtum Aug 2013 #44

So tell me, the war never happened? nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #35

It's simple... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #39

It was not terror son nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #43

It was... Phillyindy Aug 2013 #51

So they are special and everybody else nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #53

Logically invalid. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #46

The atomic bombs WERE different. Jim Lane Aug 2013 #80

A new type of weapon that I hate to say it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #81

kick & recommended. William769 Aug 2013 #23

Thank you. SheilaT Aug 2013 #26

Thanks for your input lumpy Aug 2013 #56

Bold post. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #27

+1 N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2013 #29

Sorry... vrp Aug 2013 #33

The argument of the necessity started as early as 1947 nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #36

? vrp Aug 2013 #47

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Irony much? L0oniX Aug 2013 #37

The people of Hiroshima were busy ripping down their own homes, digging bunkers AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #48

I'd sign the Szil�rd petition then nail it to the totem pole you squat on everyday here. miyazaki Aug 2013 #41

Fukushima will be worse. reusrename Aug 2013 #42

absolutely, but that has to do with contant release nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #50

Sure. Now to go back on topic, I've always been split on this. reusrename Aug 2013 #63

They had that debate, even before hiroshima nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #64

There were no good choices for decades to follow. reusrename Aug 2013 #65

Absolutely, nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #66

I, too, worry about what will be done to the young 'uns. reusrename Aug 2013 #78

4 and 5 are not facts, and you need links to support your other "facts" Th1onein Aug 2013 #45

You are right, it is not true nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #49

Nadine, they were negotiating peace with us before we dropped the bomb on them. Th1onein Aug 2013 #60

Not quite, they were talking to the swiss representatives nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #61

I don't think that you are correct. Th1onein Aug 2013 #77

Yes, but the division in the high command was real nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #79

Incidentally, we risked lives and the success of the mission to warn civilians out of the cities. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #54

If the US hadn't used them first, somebody would have wanted to use them later. reformist2 Aug 2013 #55

The Japanese could have stopped the war at any time... Deep13 Aug 2013 #58

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were "the push" the Japanese needed... roamer65 Aug 2013 #68

Yes they were. They were more than just that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #69

I had a relative on the island of Tinian when the bombs were there, Nadin. roamer65 Aug 2013 #71

I know...one of the vets at the Red Cross in Mexico nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #72

#4: an airburst at 10,000 ft is pretty much the opposite of "targeting". n/t DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #70

wrong altitude canonfodder Aug 2013 #74

You're right about the altitude, but from 1950 or from 10,000, precision is not the main benefit DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #75

In the context of WW II as you know, that is total war, nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #82

THE DECISION TO USE THE ATOMIC BOMB - For those looking for more than the status quo opinion usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #73

After reading the history...I am never unhappy with a cloudy day. roamer65 Aug 2013 #76