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In reply to the discussion: An overlooked A-bomb issue: the wait-a-couple-weeks argument [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)17. Nice contradiction. What gives?
It {the atomic bombings} was obviously a message to the Soviets
A common revisionist critique that is, unfortunately, not backed up by facts.
The US was in the midst of a war with a determined enemy. Efforts by peace factions within Japan were blocked and frustrated by the dominant (and murder prone) war party. The bombing was clearly and frequently cited by internal councils in the US government as a means to either (1) force Japan to surrender or (2) wipe out concentrations of Japanese military & industrial power to quicken the end of the war. While there is no doubt that Truman and Byrnes were aware of the impression Hiroshima would give to the Soviets, there is exactly one quote from Byrnes about what it would make the Soviets think and literally hundreds of in-context quotes about what the bombs were supposed to drive Japan to do.
{Truman} had an easy and obvious alternative to hold off on the bombing for a few weeks and wait to see what effect the Russian attack would have.
Holding off the bombing was not an easy alternative. If you read Tsuyoshi Hasegawa's Racing the Enemy, you'll see the very point of rushing the bombs into deployment was to prevent the Soviets from taking part in the surrender of Japan.
So it wasn't about sending a message to the Soviets but it was about keeping the Soviets from from taking part in the surrender of Japan. Sounds like the message was received loud and clear.
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heaven forfend that we should discuss possible alternatives in such a horrific event.
niyad
Aug 2013
#3
Rape of Nanking. Heaven forbid that we should discuss possible alternatives in
Nanjing to Seoul
Aug 2013
#14
is it so hard to understand that the possible alternatives discussion reference should have happened
niyad
Aug 2013
#31
The world had gone through WWI and now less than thirty years later was engulfed in another war
Fumesucker
Aug 2013
#9
The targeting documents are dry reading, like most military documents, but are available
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#60
I appreciate that you're not echoing the tired "save American lives" meme, but....
Jim Lane
Aug 2013
#25
Thanks for responding. I've based my arguments on primary sources, hence contradictions.
Bucky
Aug 2013
#36
I have often wondered what the ramifications of waiting for a Soviet invasion were
Lee-Lee
Aug 2013
#34
Sure, wait the additional time if you know that yet another powerful nation will declare war.
Jim Lane
Aug 2013
#38
Regardless - the indiscriminate slaughter and maiming of tens of thousands with one bomb is amoral
ConcernedCanuk
Aug 2013
#66