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JDPriestly

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119. How much money do you think our government spends on this program?

Wed Aug 7, 2013, 04:34 AM

Aug 2013

Add that to the incredible sums spent on Homeland Security?

Do we really feel insecure enough to spend those sums for surveillance and snooping?

Those of us who grew up in the 1940s-60s were taught that these were things that NAZIs and Communists did. We were taught that our country was free, meaning we could travel without showing IDs as we go and that we were not under surveillance.

Surprise. We are no longer free. We now have to go through what is in fact an official shakedown before we can board a plane, and we are under surveillance.

I think some young people have never read the Constitution. Used to be we read and studied the Constitution both in high school and quite possibly in college even if we did not go to law school.

I guess times have changed. All that freedom stuff is no longer relevant since the fall of the Soviet Union. How sad.

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