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69. And Biden also was taking the lead to get that bankruptcy bill mess passed too...

Wed Aug 7, 2013, 12:39 PM

Aug 2013

That was my biggest complaint about him too. And when Obama selected him as a running mate, it was a clue for me where Obama was headed as well. Though Obama and Clinton tried to present themselves as huge opposites in the campaign, I think they were far more together from the standpoint of being part of the DLC machinery to keep any other REAL Democrats from getting to be a part of the race. And for those of us who fell for Edwards' more liberal stances, we were roped in to supporting a candidate that they knew they could pull the plug on because of his "secret private life" at any time during the race. I still am thinking that was part of the DLC's plan, to keep anyone like a Dennis Kucinich from being anywhere close to getting any kind of delegate count going in to Super Tuesday.

As for Hillary, you can say that she shouldn't be blamed for what Bill did, but there are plenty of stances that she's taken that I can't support. Not just her stances on Iran and the Iraq war, but her stance favoring H-1B Visa expansion in my book is inexcusable for real Democrats to be taking.

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during the '08 primaries, I was the biggest anti-Hillary poster here [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2013 OP

I think its more that Obama turned out to be just about exactly the same. The Link Aug 2013 #1

Good point! Omnith Aug 2013 #122

CORRECT Skittles Aug 2013 #151

If Warren doesn't run (which she won't) Hillary gets my support. onehandle Aug 2013 #2

I think Warren will go the route Obama went in 04 AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #6

Yeah. I doubt she'll be on the ticket at all. onehandle Aug 2013 #7

Plenty of Time liberalmike27 Aug 2013 #84

The difference AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #85

You mean like the way she fights DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #104

Cough Cough DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #103

Down the road, in 2024, presumably, she will be 75. MADem Aug 2013 #108

Compared to Obama AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #110

Whatever she is, she's said she is not interested. MADem Aug 2013 #112

Or how about Clinton/Grayson? n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #44

Not gonna happen. RC Aug 2013 #73

Or Clinton/Dean? n/t Lisa D Aug 2013 #77

Probably will be Clinton and someone like the former Governor of South Dakota. nt bluestate10 Aug 2013 #148

Gary Locke, the former Gov. of WA, was very popular here. He's Ambassador to China now. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #154

I'll vote for her, too, but, you're wrong about her as Sec of State - she's a big reason blm Aug 2013 #3

Don't forget the 'Grand Bargains' AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #9

well, her hubby is down with it AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #11

Right, it's Bills fault! AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #15

Bill schmoozing with Paul Ryan about "reforming" Medicare. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #19

Of course AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #26

They founded the DLC together. /nt AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #34

Blah AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #37

You got me there... AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #127

well, there's this: AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #130

Why does none of that appear in the WIKI about the DLC? AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #131

could it be wiki is open for editing? AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #132

So you are saying it's a conspiracy? AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #134

I'll leave you to desperately trying to obscure the truth about the Clintons. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #140

I eagerly await your Wiki edit! AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #142

Hey, if she wanted to prove she was NOT her husband's twin DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #105

Yes AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #107

Nope, not women DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #119

Blah AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #124

an eloquent response DonCoquixote Aug 2013 #152

Don't you know it? Beacool Aug 2013 #22

As Sec of State you have a LOT to do with how diplomacy is handled blm Aug 2013 #48

Yes AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #49

I didn't say that. Why play the game of taking something to its extreme instead of blm Aug 2013 #58

Because sunlight AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #59

What do you 'think' you're disinfecting with silly game-playing? blm Aug 2013 #67

Like I said AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #125

You didn't LEAD anything. That link still can't show significant accomplishments as Senator blm Aug 2013 #137

Sigh... AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #139

Did not lead opposition to Bush on so many crucial matters. NO significant blm Aug 2013 #145

Don't forget the changes to the bankruptcy laws AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #61

And Biden also was taking the lead to get that bankruptcy bill mess passed too... cascadiance Aug 2013 #69

I kind of miss the I'm-just-an-average-guy-because-I-rode-the-train-to-work stories. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #81

Share the link? lark Aug 2013 #83

regarding stint as SOS: AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #10

Sounds like Palin said about Obama AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #17

edited for wrongness on source AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #21

Did you even read the article you're claiming sufrommich Aug 2013 #36

It's from The Daily Beast. /nt AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #41

It's a reprint from Red State.It says so sufrommich Aug 2013 #45

by Myra Adams at the Daily Beast AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #57

I doubt that it's Hillary advocates who don't have a sufrommich Aug 2013 #63

No--you're busted, I'm afraid. What a cretin Myra is!!! MADem Aug 2013 #111

Do you find it odd that nobody had a problem with it when posted earlier? AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #123

I remember during the primaries before 08 AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #126

oh dear AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #133

lol AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #135

Well, I'll be honest, I thought it was a load of horseshit right out of the gate. MADem Aug 2013 #150

Remember the constant harping about the PUMAs? Beacool Aug 2013 #25

Then take the opportunity to name her accomplishments as SoS or as Senator. blm Aug 2013 #52

Google it AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #54

I know all her significant accomplishments in the senate - zero. And as SoS - very thin blm Aug 2013 #62

Here is a summary of her lifetime of achievement AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #76

I addressed the claim that she was the 'best Sec of State' and that she had accomplishments blm Aug 2013 #80

You can lead a horse to water... AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #86

You didn't LEAD anything. You can't answer honestly, so, you pretend blm Aug 2013 #98

Of course! AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #128

Nothing SIGNIFICANT. NOTHING showing she led opposition to Bush. blm Aug 2013 #138

You are hopelessly biased AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #141

The goal posts were ALWAYS the same. No significant accomplishments blm Aug 2013 #146

Reliable indicator of a bullshit argument: Maedhros Aug 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #90

During the '08 primaries, LWolf Aug 2013 #4

Same here AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #12

You seriously just referred to Hillary Clinton as a "bitch"? Wtf? Not cool. ..nt TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #24

Yep AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #31

I just alerted your post. I guess we'll see how a jury decides... TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #38

I edited it 5 minutes ago AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #39

For the record... TeeYiYi Aug 2013 #42

Hey, it's not OK to call women "bitches" on DU. Beacool Aug 2013 #29

OK AgingAmerican Aug 2013 #32

Thank you. Beacool Aug 2013 #35

one of the few? hfojvt Aug 2013 #43

Everyone, including Edwards, was gone LWolf Aug 2013 #53

it was earlier than I thought hfojvt Aug 2013 #70

I remember being, first, pissed LWolf Aug 2013 #74

I agree 100%... one_voice Aug 2013 #5

When does the DU Primary Bloodletting begin anyway? leftstreet Aug 2013 #8

I don't know but it's fucking pathetic sharp_stick Aug 2013 #16

When primary season begins, LWolf Aug 2013 #18

All ready started ... and like all train wrecks ... JoePhilly Aug 2013 #60

It's an ongoing process Lucinda Aug 2013 #109

I'll vote for our nominee in November riqster Aug 2013 #13

Of course you offered much characterization of Hillary which apparently was affectation Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #14

my opinion at that time was the same as Eugene Robinson's scheming daemons Aug 2013 #23

Two things. Robinson did not say she was a bad person nor disgusting. You did. Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #94

ps. I told you in the OP that I was the biggest Hillary basher here scheming daemons Aug 2013 #28

It just shows me or any good reader that you indulge in extreme rhetoric which Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #121

She and her husband were dispicable during that primary Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #40

Yep. How much weight does such fickle fandom carry? Marr Aug 2013 #143

Thank you, that's classy of you to write. Beacool Aug 2013 #20

Looking at the list of SoS's, it's kind of a low bar you have set. bluedigger Aug 2013 #27

I tend to agree... malthaussen Aug 2013 #51

The OP did say in the last 46 years, I think. bluedigger Aug 2013 #93

So was I. Still am. And, still won't vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #30

HER bringing together the party after the primaries? WTF? KittyWampus Aug 2013 #33

Hillary will be my candidate. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #46

The problem I've always had with Hillary Clinton supporters Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #47

I'd say the anti-Hillary and anti-Obama folks are the same people... brooklynite Aug 2013 #55

You are correct. RC Aug 2013 #87

Otherwise known as the contingent against corporate rule n/t eridani Aug 2013 #89

They were for Obama before they were against him. joshcryer Aug 2013 #114

Well said. efhmc Aug 2013 #65

Forgive her? Is she sorry? Is there reason from her to think she wouldn't do the same thing again? TheKentuckian Aug 2013 #50

My only concern about Hillary Clinton is the concentration of power among a few families AndyA Aug 2013 #56

saved me from typing all that LittleGirl Aug 2013 #79

Apparently there are only two, or at the most SheilaT Aug 2013 #64

That managed not to get banned? murielm99 Aug 2013 #66

Thank you for all your work and for sharing your thoughts. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #68

I Won't vote for another DLC Democrat... raindaddy Aug 2013 #71

those voting yea on IWR did worse over the years than the nay-voting ones MisterP Aug 2013 #72

Sorry, You were right in "08", but now, You're wrong ! BillyRibs Aug 2013 #78

Hey, whatever happened to ClarkUSA? BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #82

What exactly do you think she is going to do Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #95

Her mere presence will be enough to expose their pointlessness BeyondGeography Aug 2013 #97

I don't see how just her mere presence Tiredofthesame Aug 2013 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author ieoeja Aug 2013 #88

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #91

What? mercymechap Aug 2013 #102

I will not support even if she is the primary winner. Arctic Dave Aug 2013 #92

Same here. Marr Aug 2013 #144

There are people who will vote for Biden just to avoid Hillary. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #96

here, here arely staircase Aug 2013 #100

I voted for Hillary mercymechap Aug 2013 #101

so you're okay with her involvement in the TPP? liberal_at_heart Aug 2013 #106

Calculated decisions is what I look for in a great leader. millennialmax Aug 2013 #113

There's no doubt most of us will davidpdx Aug 2013 #115

Two in the thread have declared that they won't support Hillary, even if she is the bluestate10 Aug 2013 #149

I'm skeptical she's going to run davidpdx Aug 2013 #153

I liked them both but the choice was easy for me Doctor_J Aug 2013 #116

If she turns out to be the nominee Xyzse Aug 2013 #117

I did not vote for either Obama or Clinton in the primary, because I saw no difference between them. Zorra Aug 2013 #118

Didn't Hillary also support the war on Libya. AppleBottom Aug 2013 #120

You now like her because she will not be opposing Obama, who can no longer run for President David Krout Aug 2013 #129

And I LOVED me some Hillary in 08 but was won over by President Obama DonRedwood Aug 2013 #136

I think the Iraq war was a mistake. bluestate10 Aug 2013 #147