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bvar22

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12. So did the American insurgents in 1776.

Wed Aug 7, 2013, 03:12 PM

Aug 2013

The Royalists, who had blind faith devotion to their king,
called them "cowards" and "traitors" who should Turn themselves IN for their illegal activities and face their just punishments!
The Early American Traitors to the Crown said, "No Thanks. YOU come and get me."

Like the early American Traitors to The Crown, Snowden has Run Away to keep fighting for what he believes.
Like the early American Traitors to The Crown, I think this is a smart choice for Snowden too,
especially in light of what happened to Bradley Manning and the other Whistleblowers under the current administration.

[font color=firebrick size=3][center]"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone[/font][/center]
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[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]

[font size=3 color=firebrick]Solidarity Snowden & Manning![/font]

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Civil Rights Icon John Lewis: Snowden�s Actions In Line With Gandhi, Thoreau [View all] Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 OP

Uh oh. Can't wait to see how they smear John Lewis. The Link Aug 2013 #1

Start a pool Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #4

Naw, they're gonna make ageist jokes and claim he's got Alzheimers... n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #10

that's what they did to Ellsberg Enrique Aug 2013 #33

Ellsberg's full release, in print, fits in a backpack; he had read it; and he knew what he released struggle4progress Aug 2013 #148

Disagreeing with Mr. Lewis is not "smearing" him. I disagree because he and others before him kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #51

What kind of punishment should someone get for doing the right thing? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #60

The reporter did some spinning, to make his story sexier. Lewis is actually explaining struggle4progress Aug 2013 #146

Yes, especially now that Lewis has come out with his own statement criticizing this reporter's pnwmom Aug 2013 #178

Now that is the highest possible praise he can get. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2

It would be if Lewis had actually made this comparison. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #179

Yep. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #181

Another durn "professional leftist". Bravo for John Lewis and Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3

obviously a paulite libertarian and racist basher lol nt msongs Aug 2013 #5

And a traitor. progressoid Aug 2013 #18

+1 Octafish Aug 2013 #22

and, they didn't like him anyway Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #25

I had no idea Lewis was an Emoprog libertarian Paulite! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #6

Who knew lol n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #8

Is Snowden ProSense Aug 2013 #7

So did the American insurgents in 1776. bvar22 Aug 2013 #12

LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #13

Maybe I am humor challenged libodem Aug 2013 #21

Snowden now equals the founding fathers ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #52

Thomas Paine, perhaps? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #70

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #81

That post was about the American revolutionaries in general muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #85

Nicely Done, M. bvar22 Aug 2013 #164

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #177

They probably weren't considered "founding fathers" back then. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #98

...and apparently civil rights leaders. He is no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #115

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #46

lov that Wellstone quote ! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #23

^^THIS^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #26

Ummm, no...those people weren't citizens for the MAIN REASON of stealing from the British.. uponit7771 Aug 2013 #50

And the patriots boarded the Dartmouth, Eleanor and the Beaver to steal tea. reusrename Aug 2013 #114

He doesn't have one. bvar22 Aug 2013 #165

...all planned BEFORE they were citizens?! You're kidding right, don't think I can make myself more uponit7771 Aug 2013 #205

He worked for the CIA for a couple years, and the NSA for a few more, before joining BA. reusrename Aug 2013 #208

Then why not steal from them!!??! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #212

He may have wanted to get to the truth. reusrename Aug 2013 #213

Can you document your claim that... bvar22 Aug 2013 #169

Here yah go uponit7771 Aug 2013 #204

Oh Boy....Lets check the "documentation" YOU provided! bvar22 Aug 2013 #206

Each case is different, you do realize treestar Aug 2013 #92

The vast database on US citizens that is being constructed by the ruling elite ronnie624 Aug 2013 #106

How do you know what it will be used for? treestar Aug 2013 #107

It has not worked well for 234 years. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #113

But they happened, didn't they? treestar Aug 2013 #117

CT web sites? ronnie624 Aug 2013 #180

We know stuff because, unlike neocons, we are not afraid of facts. reusrename Aug 2013 #209

I bet you would love to see a transcript cali Aug 2013 #27

Well, anyone with a brain would flee the USA after seeing what happened to Manning. truedelphi Aug 2013 #32

IMHO, not being able to visit one's family... Chef Eric Aug 2013 #39

lewis kardonb Aug 2013 #40

He has already 'paid the price' which I am certain a man as intelligent as Lewis already sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43

Eh, I'm sure she's being very well paid for what she does here. kath Aug 2013 #176

K&R! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #9

John Lewis's signature... pinboy3niner Aug 2013 #11

Bravo, Congressman Lewis! democrank Aug 2013 #14

You may want to...er..... Curb Your Enthusiasm.... MADem Aug 2013 #118

Recommend! KoKo Aug 2013 #15

And in line with the presidents oath to "defend and protect the Constitution". grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #16

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #17

I think it may very well be a disservice to Snowden War Horse Aug 2013 #19

Info dumper? How so? Snowden looked at the accusations (of dumping) against Manning... deurbano Aug 2013 #37

Beautiful statement. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #20

hmm. throwing Lewis under the bus could be tricky for the professional apologists cali Aug 2013 #24

Yesiree lark Aug 2013 #29

how PROfessional of the PROlific PROpagandist cali Aug 2013 #31

A very SENSEible post. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #34

It's nice to not to see her/him/them on this thread Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #91

LOL lark Aug 2013 #111

Tricky, yes . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #38

Looks as though you beat any "apologist" with the dementia claim. Funny that. Number23 Aug 2013 #49

the messenger doesn't matter treestar Aug 2013 #112

He didn't say what people cheering for him thought he said, though. MADem Aug 2013 #119

throwing Lewis under the bus could be tricky for the professional apologists? bvar22 Aug 2013 #170

I'm with him! tblue Aug 2013 #28

About that "willing to pay the price" detail... CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #30

Glad you were able to find something to latch on to! morningfog Aug 2013 #35

Mister Lewis has disparaged the GUARDIAN.... MADem Aug 2013 #120

Rightfully so, for the use of the word praise morningfog Aug 2013 #122

Not quite. The reporter misrepresented Representative Lewis's intent, focus and opinion on this MADem Aug 2013 #123

The OP in this thread was almost entirely Lewis' words, accurately quoted morningfog Aug 2013 #127

Those three paragraphs I provided were entirely Lewis's words, written by him, and in full context. MADem Aug 2013 #130

For completeness, here are Lewis' exact words, which he has not morningfog Aug 2013 #135

Indeed, and that was in response to a query about the anniversary of the March on Washington. MADem Aug 2013 #147

They weren't 'accurately' quoted, though, that is why Lewis issued his statement. MADem Aug 2013 #150

His statement does not say his quote was a product of a "mash-up" as you say. morningfog Aug 2013 #152

He says PRECISELY that in the third paragraph of his press release. MADem Aug 2013 #155

He says it came at the end of an interview about the March, morningfog Aug 2013 #157

I am not "reading into" anything. I'm going by what Congressman Lewis actually said in his press MADem Aug 2013 #159

Sorry, you are not convincing. morningfog Aug 2013 #162

No--he said that about the MARCH ON WASHINGTON. That was the TOPIC of the interview. MADem Aug 2013 #163

Sorry. You are making assumptions that aren't supported. morningfog Aug 2013 #166

I am NOT the only person making the claim. JOHN LEWIS, who was IN the interview, is making it. MADem Aug 2013 #171

Go back and read my last post. morningfog Aug 2013 #173

Lewis's press release is more than a clarification. It's an objection. MADem Aug 2013 #175

The reporter was clear in the question that the subject was Snowden muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #182

What is shoddy is that you buy this unknown reporter's assertions, and disregard the civil rights MADem Aug 2013 #183

John Lewis didn't like the impression the Guardian article gave muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #184

Spend less time trying to spin the out of context quotes and more time reading his press release. MADem Aug 2013 #185

I had already read it - without your bold and underlining spin muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #186

Yeah, sure--it's SPIN to call attention to the comments you choose to ignore. nt MADem Aug 2013 #187

You're a mind-reader, are you? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #190

By your words I know you--doesn't take a mind reader. nt MADem Aug 2013 #191

QED - you can't point anything out. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #192

Listen to you--you're the one doing the flailing. MADem Aug 2013 #193

I suggested repeatedly you point something out, and you have failed to do so muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #195

I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. If you can't sort out the meaning from them MADem Aug 2013 #196

And you still can't point out how my posts contradict anything Lews said (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #199

Well, I already did that. I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. They contradict your MADem Aug 2013 #200

Are you trying to emulate Ronald Reagan? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #201

So, the goading and baiting didn't work; now you're trying out personal insults? MADem Aug 2013 #203

you don't think life in exile & fear of reprisal = a price? you'd rather he got what manning got, HiPointDem Aug 2013 #36

With statements like Lewis, why WOULDN'T you want him back? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #73

why wouldn't he fear a trial? it means being locked up for the rest of his life like manning. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #76

Brave, chervilant Aug 2013 #42

Coulter-ish? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #55

So many people online chervilant Aug 2013 #65

And, there you are with your personal attacks and insults to DUers, A-gain. Cha Aug 2013 #57

Pot calling kettle ... chervilant Aug 2013 #66

Deny it all you want. Cha Aug 2013 #69

So what do you think of what Rep. Lewis said? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

I think he's entitled to his opinion, and CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #58

I see a little invective in your comment, the usual attempt to undermine those you disagree with. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #59

I think you have it quite backwards CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #72

Granted, I haven't read nearly all posts about the president, 1awake Aug 2013 #101

Yet 'free' countries like France, Italy, Spain and Portugal blocked the Bolivian president muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #71

It's funny how they keep coming up with someone treestar Aug 2013 #84

Exactly, CakeGrrl.. John Lewis was speaking of those willing to pay Cha Aug 2013 #61

What?!? chervilant Aug 2013 #67

Didn't the fox evade the evil US hounds by getting asylum? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #74

yes, Snowden evaded U.S. "justice". Yes, he paid a price cali Aug 2013 #79

Yeah, and I was right.. Cha Aug 2013 #151

he was speaking directly of Snowden, and of course Snowden has paid a price cali Aug 2013 #78

John Lewis is a well known racist! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #41

So lets see, John Lewis, Jimmy Carter, Daniel Ellsberg, Juan Cole, Naomi Klein riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #44

So he'll have plenty of high-profile support in a trial. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #75

Nooooo....looks like the Guardian didn't quite get that story right. MADem Aug 2013 #124

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #45

Tyranny has arrived, chervilant Aug 2013 #68

I respect John Lewis. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #48

That was a lie. And Rep. Lewis corrected it when he made a statement about the false sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53

He is a gracious man. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #54

He is a truthful man who doesn't tolerate lies, especially about those he respects. He told the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #56

well there is the youtube video AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #62

There was also a process which was followed. Rep. Lewis, unlike OWS haters, understood the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #63

It's not important that you believe me or agree with me. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #64

another case of the Greenwald left meeting the Alex Jones right Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #77

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #80

That's deranged. treestar Aug 2013 #82

i recommend repairing that gap in your knowledge Enrique Aug 2013 #86

Fine, but I don't have to agree with him treestar Aug 2013 #90

43,000 posts, 7 years on DU, and you don't know who John Lewis is? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #87

No, I don't know everything about everything treestar Aug 2013 #94

Arrested 40 times treestar Aug 2013 #210

you participate in an American political discussion forum and you don't know who John Lewis is? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #88

Is that the standard? treestar Aug 2013 #95

I would expect someone who blogged about baseball and had written thousands of post about baseball Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #99

I would expect that John Lewis is not Mickey Mantle to politics treestar Aug 2013 #100

Not knowing who John Lewis is, and... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #89

How does mail get delivered to the rock you live under? Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #93

Every single one of my responses is about not knowing who the messenger is!!!!!!!!! treestar Aug 2013 #96

"Yet I do know a deranged statement when I see one. " Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #97

Fine - you have no clue whatsoever about history or human rights muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #102

What? We have to know who one Congressman is or we know treestar Aug 2013 #103

Don't be obtuse. Here's a few pictures of him so you'll know in the future. Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #104

Nice but that doesn't mean he hasn't made treestar Aug 2013 #108

I'm not taking about him now; this is about you calling what he said muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #105

It is insane to say that about Snowden treestar Aug 2013 #109

Snowden is just like Jesus and Santa Claus... SidDithers Aug 2013 #83

I thought Manning was Jesus? Is he the Baby Jesus, or msanthrope Aug 2013 #198

Rep. John Lewis: "NO PRAISE FOR SNOWDEN-Reports about my interview with The Guardian are misleading" SidDithers Aug 2013 #110

Thanks, Sid! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #116

Your article does not contradict the OP. morningfog Aug 2013 #121

Yes it does. Read it again... carefully. n/t lamp_shade Aug 2013 #133

You need to read carefully, bud. morningfog Aug 2013 #139

The OP should correct the record. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #126

Or perhaps you should try reading before saying foolish things cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #128

Where is the correction in the OP? The OP should place this additional information in the OP. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #129

You have not earned a civil response cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #136

Why am I not an honest person? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #137

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #140

Just for the record I hope no one alerts on this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #143

Ooooo.... snotty remark. Mind your manners. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #131

You're one to talk...slowly. morningfog Aug 2013 #134

You either cannot read or cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #138

"I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Mohandas Gandhi..." phleshdef Aug 2013 #145

They prefer the guardian's version to what John Lewis actually said.. Cha Aug 2013 #153

Apperantly. All I said was that the OP should correct the record and I got attacked for being hrmjustin Aug 2013 #158

Totally. Cha Aug 2013 #160

You can't please everyone in this life. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #161

Thanks Sid. I knew in my heart that Lewis's words were somehow being misrepresented. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #132

Here are Lewis' words, without any representing. morningfog Aug 2013 #141

More of Lewis' words: "I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Gandhi." Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #142

I did not, nor did the OP ever claim that he praised Snowden. morningfog Aug 2013 #144

Now that we know the Guardian will mispresent the facts Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #156

You're not "confused" at all. More spinning from snowden fans now that the guardian has Cha Aug 2013 #154

Lots of bent-out-of-shape noses here today. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #168

^^^ THIS ^^^ usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #207

Looks like they added a lot to his words, too. We know who's paying for all of this. The Koches. freshwest Aug 2013 #188

Anybody with half a brain CELL knew it was more Guardian slimy reporting. DevonRex Aug 2013 #149

+1 ucrdem Aug 2013 #174

Please make an OP out of this to clear the air at DU. freshwest Aug 2013 #189

kpete had the OP first... SidDithers Aug 2013 #194

Thanks. I'll go K & R that for clarity. freshwest Aug 2013 #197

Try instead Ames, Pollard, and Morison. sofa king Aug 2013 #125

His "Red Stripe is Gonna Show!" Welcome to DU, Joe McCarthy...it's KoKo Aug 2013 #167

That is something I really haven't considered. It's an interesting theory... MADem Aug 2013 #202

" In fact, The Guardian itself agreed to retract the word �praise� from its headline. " ucrdem Aug 2013 #172

kick KittyWampus Aug 2013 #211