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Aug 2013

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Civil Rights Icon John Lewis: Snowden�s Actions In Line With Gandhi, Thoreau [View all] Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 OP

Uh oh. Can't wait to see how they smear John Lewis. The Link Aug 2013 #1

Start a pool Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #4

Naw, they're gonna make ageist jokes and claim he's got Alzheimers... n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #10

that's what they did to Ellsberg Enrique Aug 2013 #33

Ellsberg's full release, in print, fits in a backpack; he had read it; and he knew what he released struggle4progress Aug 2013 #148

Disagreeing with Mr. Lewis is not "smearing" him. I disagree because he and others before him kelliekat44 Aug 2013 #51

What kind of punishment should someone get for doing the right thing? AppleBottom Aug 2013 #60

The reporter did some spinning, to make his story sexier. Lewis is actually explaining struggle4progress Aug 2013 #146

Yes, especially now that Lewis has come out with his own statement criticizing this reporter's pnwmom Aug 2013 #178

Now that is the highest possible praise he can get. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #2

It would be if Lewis had actually made this comparison. n/t pnwmom Aug 2013 #179

Yep. nt geek tragedy Aug 2013 #181

Another durn "professional leftist". Bravo for John Lewis and Snowden. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #3

obviously a paulite libertarian and racist basher lol nt msongs Aug 2013 #5

And a traitor. progressoid Aug 2013 #18

+1 Octafish Aug 2013 #22

and, they didn't like him anyway Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #25

I had no idea Lewis was an Emoprog libertarian Paulite! Bluenorthwest Aug 2013 #6

Who knew lol n/t Catherina Aug 2013 #8

Is Snowden ProSense Aug 2013 #7

So did the American insurgents in 1776. bvar22 Aug 2013 #12

LOL! n/t ProSense Aug 2013 #13

Maybe I am humor challenged libodem Aug 2013 #21

Snowden now equals the founding fathers ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #52

Thomas Paine, perhaps? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #70

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #81

That post was about the American revolutionaries in general muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #85

Nicely Done, M. bvar22 Aug 2013 #164

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2013 #177

They probably weren't considered "founding fathers" back then. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #98

...and apparently civil rights leaders. He is no such thing. Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #115

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #46

lov that Wellstone quote ! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #23

^^THIS^^ Puzzledtraveller Aug 2013 #26

Ummm, no...those people weren't citizens for the MAIN REASON of stealing from the British.. uponit7771 Aug 2013 #50

And the patriots boarded the Dartmouth, Eleanor and the Beaver to steal tea. reusrename Aug 2013 #114

He doesn't have one. bvar22 Aug 2013 #165

...all planned BEFORE they were citizens?! You're kidding right, don't think I can make myself more uponit7771 Aug 2013 #205

He worked for the CIA for a couple years, and the NSA for a few more, before joining BA. reusrename Aug 2013 #208

Then why not steal from them!!??! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #212

He may have wanted to get to the truth. reusrename Aug 2013 #213

Can you document your claim that... bvar22 Aug 2013 #169

Here yah go uponit7771 Aug 2013 #204

Oh Boy....Lets check the "documentation" YOU provided! bvar22 Aug 2013 #206

Each case is different, you do realize treestar Aug 2013 #92

The vast database on US citizens that is being constructed by the ruling elite ronnie624 Aug 2013 #106

How do you know what it will be used for? treestar Aug 2013 #107

It has not worked well for 234 years. ronnie624 Aug 2013 #113

But they happened, didn't they? treestar Aug 2013 #117

CT web sites? ronnie624 Aug 2013 #180

We know stuff because, unlike neocons, we are not afraid of facts. reusrename Aug 2013 #209

I bet you would love to see a transcript cali Aug 2013 #27

Well, anyone with a brain would flee the USA after seeing what happened to Manning. truedelphi Aug 2013 #32

IMHO, not being able to visit one's family... Chef Eric Aug 2013 #39

lewis kardonb Aug 2013 #40

He has already 'paid the price' which I am certain a man as intelligent as Lewis already sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #43

Eh, I'm sure she's being very well paid for what she does here. kath Aug 2013 #176

K&R! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #9

John Lewis's signature... pinboy3niner Aug 2013 #11

Bravo, Congressman Lewis! democrank Aug 2013 #14

You may want to...er..... Curb Your Enthusiasm.... MADem Aug 2013 #118

Recommend! KoKo Aug 2013 #15

And in line with the presidents oath to "defend and protect the Constitution". grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #16

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #17

I think it may very well be a disservice to Snowden War Horse Aug 2013 #19

Info dumper? How so? Snowden looked at the accusations (of dumping) against Manning... deurbano Aug 2013 #37

Beautiful statement. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #20

hmm. throwing Lewis under the bus could be tricky for the professional apologists cali Aug 2013 #24

Yesiree lark Aug 2013 #29

how PROfessional of the PROlific PROpagandist cali Aug 2013 #31

A very SENSEible post. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2013 #34

It's nice to not to see her/him/them on this thread Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #91

LOL lark Aug 2013 #111

Tricky, yes . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #38

Looks as though you beat any "apologist" with the dementia claim. Funny that. Number23 Aug 2013 #49

the messenger doesn't matter treestar Aug 2013 #112

He didn't say what people cheering for him thought he said, though. MADem Aug 2013 #119

throwing Lewis under the bus could be tricky for the professional apologists? bvar22 Aug 2013 #170

I'm with him! tblue Aug 2013 #28

About that "willing to pay the price" detail... CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #30

Glad you were able to find something to latch on to! morningfog Aug 2013 #35

Mister Lewis has disparaged the GUARDIAN.... MADem Aug 2013 #120

Rightfully so, for the use of the word praise morningfog Aug 2013 #122

Not quite. The reporter misrepresented Representative Lewis's intent, focus and opinion on this MADem Aug 2013 #123

The OP in this thread was almost entirely Lewis' words, accurately quoted morningfog Aug 2013 #127

Those three paragraphs I provided were entirely Lewis's words, written by him, and in full context. MADem Aug 2013 #130

For completeness, here are Lewis' exact words, which he has not morningfog Aug 2013 #135

Indeed, and that was in response to a query about the anniversary of the March on Washington. MADem Aug 2013 #147

They weren't 'accurately' quoted, though, that is why Lewis issued his statement. MADem Aug 2013 #150

His statement does not say his quote was a product of a "mash-up" as you say. morningfog Aug 2013 #152

He says PRECISELY that in the third paragraph of his press release. MADem Aug 2013 #155

He says it came at the end of an interview about the March, morningfog Aug 2013 #157

I am not "reading into" anything. I'm going by what Congressman Lewis actually said in his press MADem Aug 2013 #159

Sorry, you are not convincing. morningfog Aug 2013 #162

No--he said that about the MARCH ON WASHINGTON. That was the TOPIC of the interview. MADem Aug 2013 #163

Sorry. You are making assumptions that aren't supported. morningfog Aug 2013 #166

I am NOT the only person making the claim. JOHN LEWIS, who was IN the interview, is making it. MADem Aug 2013 #171

Go back and read my last post. morningfog Aug 2013 #173

Lewis's press release is more than a clarification. It's an objection. MADem Aug 2013 #175

The reporter was clear in the question that the subject was Snowden muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #182

What is shoddy is that you buy this unknown reporter's assertions, and disregard the civil rights MADem Aug 2013 #183

John Lewis didn't like the impression the Guardian article gave muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #184

Spend less time trying to spin the out of context quotes and more time reading his press release. MADem Aug 2013 #185

I had already read it - without your bold and underlining spin muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #186

Yeah, sure--it's SPIN to call attention to the comments you choose to ignore. nt MADem Aug 2013 #187

You're a mind-reader, are you? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #190

By your words I know you--doesn't take a mind reader. nt MADem Aug 2013 #191

QED - you can't point anything out. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #192

Listen to you--you're the one doing the flailing. MADem Aug 2013 #193

I suggested repeatedly you point something out, and you have failed to do so muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #195

I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. If you can't sort out the meaning from them MADem Aug 2013 #196

And you still can't point out how my posts contradict anything Lews said (nt) muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #199

Well, I already did that. I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. They contradict your MADem Aug 2013 #200

Are you trying to emulate Ronald Reagan? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #201

So, the goading and baiting didn't work; now you're trying out personal insults? MADem Aug 2013 #203

you don't think life in exile & fear of reprisal = a price? you'd rather he got what manning got, HiPointDem Aug 2013 #36

With statements like Lewis, why WOULDN'T you want him back? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #73

why wouldn't he fear a trial? it means being locked up for the rest of his life like manning. HiPointDem Aug 2013 #76

Brave, chervilant Aug 2013 #42

Coulter-ish? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #55

So many people online chervilant Aug 2013 #65

And, there you are with your personal attacks and insults to DUers, A-gain. Cha Aug 2013 #57

Pot calling kettle ... chervilant Aug 2013 #66

Deny it all you want. Cha Aug 2013 #69

So what do you think of what Rep. Lewis said? sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #47

I think he's entitled to his opinion, and CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #58

I see a little invective in your comment, the usual attempt to undermine those you disagree with. sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #59

I think you have it quite backwards CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #72

Granted, I haven't read nearly all posts about the president, 1awake Aug 2013 #101

Yet 'free' countries like France, Italy, Spain and Portugal blocked the Bolivian president muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #71

It's funny how they keep coming up with someone treestar Aug 2013 #84

Exactly, CakeGrrl.. John Lewis was speaking of those willing to pay Cha Aug 2013 #61

What?!? chervilant Aug 2013 #67

Didn't the fox evade the evil US hounds by getting asylum? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #74

yes, Snowden evaded U.S. "justice". Yes, he paid a price cali Aug 2013 #79

Yeah, and I was right.. Cha Aug 2013 #151

he was speaking directly of Snowden, and of course Snowden has paid a price cali Aug 2013 #78

John Lewis is a well known racist! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #41

So lets see, John Lewis, Jimmy Carter, Daniel Ellsberg, Juan Cole, Naomi Klein riderinthestorm Aug 2013 #44

So he'll have plenty of high-profile support in a trial. CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #75

Nooooo....looks like the Guardian didn't quite get that story right. MADem Aug 2013 #124

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #45

Tyranny has arrived, chervilant Aug 2013 #68

I respect John Lewis. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #48

That was a lie. And Rep. Lewis corrected it when he made a statement about the false sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #53

He is a gracious man. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #54

He is a truthful man who doesn't tolerate lies, especially about those he respects. He told the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #56

well there is the youtube video AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #62

There was also a process which was followed. Rep. Lewis, unlike OWS haters, understood the sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #63

It's not important that you believe me or agree with me. AtomicKitten Aug 2013 #64

another case of the Greenwald left meeting the Alex Jones right Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #77

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #80

That's deranged. treestar Aug 2013 #82

i recommend repairing that gap in your knowledge Enrique Aug 2013 #86

Fine, but I don't have to agree with him treestar Aug 2013 #90

43,000 posts, 7 years on DU, and you don't know who John Lewis is? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #87

No, I don't know everything about everything treestar Aug 2013 #94

Arrested 40 times treestar Aug 2013 #210

you participate in an American political discussion forum and you don't know who John Lewis is? Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #88

Is that the standard? treestar Aug 2013 #95

I would expect someone who blogged about baseball and had written thousands of post about baseball Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #99

I would expect that John Lewis is not Mickey Mantle to politics treestar Aug 2013 #100

Not knowing who John Lewis is, and... Oilwellian Aug 2013 #89

How does mail get delivered to the rock you live under? Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #93

Every single one of my responses is about not knowing who the messenger is!!!!!!!!! treestar Aug 2013 #96

"Yet I do know a deranged statement when I see one. " Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #97

Fine - you have no clue whatsoever about history or human rights muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #102

What? We have to know who one Congressman is or we know treestar Aug 2013 #103

Don't be obtuse. Here's a few pictures of him so you'll know in the future. Capt. Obvious Aug 2013 #104

Nice but that doesn't mean he hasn't made treestar Aug 2013 #108

I'm not taking about him now; this is about you calling what he said muriel_volestrangler Aug 2013 #105

It is insane to say that about Snowden treestar Aug 2013 #109

Snowden is just like Jesus and Santa Claus... SidDithers Aug 2013 #83

I thought Manning was Jesus? Is he the Baby Jesus, or msanthrope Aug 2013 #198

Rep. John Lewis: "NO PRAISE FOR SNOWDEN-Reports about my interview with The Guardian are misleading" SidDithers Aug 2013 #110

Thanks, Sid! :) Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2013 #116

Your article does not contradict the OP. morningfog Aug 2013 #121

Yes it does. Read it again... carefully. n/t lamp_shade Aug 2013 #133

You need to read carefully, bud. morningfog Aug 2013 #139

The OP should correct the record. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #126

Or perhaps you should try reading before saying foolish things cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #128

Where is the correction in the OP? The OP should place this additional information in the OP. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #129

You have not earned a civil response cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #136

Why am I not an honest person? hrmjustin Aug 2013 #137

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #140

Just for the record I hope no one alerts on this. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #143

Ooooo.... snotty remark. Mind your manners. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #131

You're one to talk...slowly. morningfog Aug 2013 #134

You either cannot read or cthulu2016 Aug 2013 #138

"I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Mohandas Gandhi..." phleshdef Aug 2013 #145

They prefer the guardian's version to what John Lewis actually said.. Cha Aug 2013 #153

Apperantly. All I said was that the OP should correct the record and I got attacked for being hrmjustin Aug 2013 #158

Totally. Cha Aug 2013 #160

You can't please everyone in this life. hrmjustin Aug 2013 #161

Thanks Sid. I knew in my heart that Lewis's words were somehow being misrepresented. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #132

Here are Lewis' words, without any representing. morningfog Aug 2013 #141

More of Lewis' words: "I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Gandhi." Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #142

I did not, nor did the OP ever claim that he praised Snowden. morningfog Aug 2013 #144

Now that we know the Guardian will mispresent the facts Bolo Boffin Aug 2013 #156

You're not "confused" at all. More spinning from snowden fans now that the guardian has Cha Aug 2013 #154

Lots of bent-out-of-shape noses here today. lamp_shade Aug 2013 #168

^^^ THIS ^^^ usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #207

Looks like they added a lot to his words, too. We know who's paying for all of this. The Koches. freshwest Aug 2013 #188

Anybody with half a brain CELL knew it was more Guardian slimy reporting. DevonRex Aug 2013 #149

+1 ucrdem Aug 2013 #174

Please make an OP out of this to clear the air at DU. freshwest Aug 2013 #189

kpete had the OP first... SidDithers Aug 2013 #194

Thanks. I'll go K & R that for clarity. freshwest Aug 2013 #197

Try instead Ames, Pollard, and Morison. sofa king Aug 2013 #125

His "Red Stripe is Gonna Show!" Welcome to DU, Joe McCarthy...it's KoKo Aug 2013 #167

That is something I really haven't considered. It's an interesting theory... MADem Aug 2013 #202

" In fact, The Guardian itself agreed to retract the word �praise� from its headline. " ucrdem Aug 2013 #172

kick KittyWampus Aug 2013 #211