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67. Okay, if I'm getting off the bus

Wed Aug 7, 2013, 03:55 PM

Aug 2013

And A TSA wants to search me, am I under any obligation to submit? Since I am no longer in the "you have to waive your 4th Amendment rights if you want to get on board" realm, wouldn't a TSA agent have to demonstrate probable cause?

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With little fanfare, the TSA has expanded to sporting events, music festivals, rodeos, weighstations [View all] phantom power Aug 2013 OP

The boondoggle endures ... Koios Aug 2013 #1

Remember all the D.A.R.E. vans? customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #17

Commie card ... Koios Aug 2013 #18

Ok, I went a bit far customerserviceguy Aug 2013 #19

"I went a bit far"... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #27

"...there are no real legal standards, or probable cause,� chimpymustgo Aug 2013 #48

They are checking out people... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #50

Its a clear victory for Al Queida.... diverdownjt Aug 2013 #22

Agreed ... Koios Aug 2013 #26

War against a feeling. Scuba Aug 2013 #44

"In truth, there's only one way to fight terrorism: do not be terrorized." VWolf Aug 2013 #61

It's a clear victory for a budding corporate fascist state. nt woo me with science Aug 2013 #59

Why should Osama bin Laden stop see his success? RC Aug 2013 #32

boondogglr kardonb Aug 2013 #38

You I believe are totally off base............. mrmpa Aug 2013 #42

I'm curious if you or anyone in your town petitioned them to reject the extra funding from bettyellen Aug 2013 #45

Weigh stations and train terminals make a lot of sense Recursion Aug 2013 #2

trains and weigh stations are transportation... phantom power Aug 2013 #14

I'd love for them to catch the people running guns from IN to Chicago Recursion Aug 2013 #23

Why does it make sense? n-t Logical Aug 2013 #28

Because it's the "Transportation" security administration Recursion Aug 2013 #31

So what exactly are they supposed to do with a fully loaded semi trailer? A HERETIC I AM Aug 2013 #49

Weigh stations have inspection areas jmowreader Aug 2013 #62

Really? A HERETIC I AM Aug 2013 #69

I can't see 'em unloading a van just on a hunch either jmowreader Aug 2013 #78

Agreed. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2013 #79

Well, folks are "riding" yesphan Aug 2013 #55

And at other sporting events VWolf Aug 2013 #60

They get the horses and bulls there in big trucks jmowreader Aug 2013 #63

Next stop places like Wal-Mart and malls. Vinnie From Indy Aug 2013 #3

"It's to train citizens to submit to authorities without probable cause" dixiegrrrrl Aug 2013 #6

"the creeping militarization of our civil society" woo me with science Aug 2013 #7

Going into a Rodeo warrant46 Aug 2013 #16

When oh when will they be coming to a theatre near you. Rex Aug 2013 #4

K&R MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #5

K&R woo me with science Aug 2013 #8

getting old i guess questionseverything Aug 2013 #9

+100000 "I do not remember an exception in amendment 4" woo me with science Aug 2013 #10

It wasn't done in secret. obxhead Aug 2013 #20

an "act" does not change the Constitution questionseverything Aug 2013 #46

The Patriot Act made all of that null and void. nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #29

It can't Fearless Aug 2013 #65

Doing warrantless sneak and peeks... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #76

Yep Fearless Aug 2013 #77

Yeah. Didn't you get the secret memo, written in invisable ink? RC Aug 2013 #33

looking round now for my questionseverything Aug 2013 #47

there is an entire body of case law on administrative searches nt treestar Aug 2013 #41

A waste of money. I bet someone gets kickbacks from the sale of uniforms and surveillance JDPriestly Aug 2013 #11

Worse -- this is creating a new industry, services of which are performed by the private sector Auggie Aug 2013 #24

TSA employees aren't private leftstreet Aug 2013 #30

Right ... not yet. Auggie Aug 2013 #34

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #39

Ka - ching! ananda Aug 2013 #12

Isn't the T for transportation? KamaAina Aug 2013 #13

Gotta make sure the horses at the rodeo aren't terrorists. progressoid Aug 2013 #15

Good point. They might be Arabians. KamaAina Aug 2013 #21

Politicians sure don't mind using them leftstreet Aug 2013 #25

Make sure your papers are in order before you leave the house. zeemike Aug 2013 #35

"It's to train citizens to submit to authorities without probable cause. " Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #36

Of course those KIDS aren't a threat to anyone. MADem Aug 2013 #52

I am guessing your point is to submit and shut-up. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #56

And you guess wrong. MADem Aug 2013 #57

We wouldnt have to guess your point if you would make it more clear. So your point, as you describe rhett o rick Aug 2013 #80

Paranoid, much? My point was entirely clear. Stop reading meanings that are not there. MADem Aug 2013 #82

We are in a class war. And I dont care if you like it or not, you will have to choose sides. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #84

There's that "With us or agin' us" again!" MADem Aug 2013 #85

Your continued backing of authoritarian organizations like the NSA and attacks on whistle-blowers rhett o rick Aug 2013 #86

You really need to stop making stuff up about me. It's rude and disruptive. MADem Aug 2013 #87

Sorry to have bothered you. I wont again. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #88

That's a wise move. nt MADem Aug 2013 #89

Disgusting. blackspade Aug 2013 #66

Are TSA agents actually cops? hootinholler Aug 2013 #37

Are they even U.S. citizens? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #68

They are not LEO's, they are clerks. GoneOffShore Aug 2013 #74

Paranoia mimi85 Aug 2013 #40

What is enough militarization? felix_numinous Aug 2013 #43

Sorry, not an apologist, but they're busy right now with the thankless and endless Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #53

Hoooray! Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #51

Okay, if I'm getting off the bus MindPilot Aug 2013 #67

All they have to do is say the magic words "drug search" and you have no rights. Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #75

Cut to the chase. Have SS agents walk the streets demanding papers from everyone who doesn't... L0oniX Aug 2013 #54

Everyone let's get with the program. avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #72

I was posting warnings here when they first expanded to trains and buses. Then sports arenas. Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #58

OSL is laughing from his watery grave. blackspade Aug 2013 #64

Who was the biggest cheeleader for creating the TSA? Elmergantry Aug 2013 #70

holy crap Liberal_in_LA Aug 2013 #71

Looking at those pictures reminded me.. Elmergantry Aug 2013 #73

TSA at Sea-Tac does instruct you at the checkpoint CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #81

kick GiaGiovanni Aug 2013 #83