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1-Old-Man

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Wed Aug 7, 2013, 06:51 PM Aug 2013

A war. A Father and a son. Some guy in the grocery store [View all]

Fundamental change.

My father's luck in birth-dates was horrible. He was in his late teens when the Great Depression began and had to make his way into adulthood as it raged. And then he was still of age, though a bit old, when the Second World War hit. He was a Marine and he was part of the invasion force of every major beach landing in the Pacific. He was what is called a decorated war veteran. It was hard on him.

I was in the military too. I served in the Army and did three tours in Viet Nam. I too am a decorated war veteran.

You would never know my father was a veteran. You could hardly get him to even say it. I have never felt much compulsion to dwell on my war either. We only talked about our experience one time. I'll quote the entire discussion. I had not seen him in five years when I arrived at his house. I went in and we talked a bit. He said "How was it?". I said "It wasn't that bad". And then he said nothing. And that was it, our entire conversation.

This morning I had to stop at the grocery store and as I was walking out there was a fellow in front of me who was wearing a T-shirt that had printed on its back something like "Operation Iraqi Clusterfuck" "123rd MP Unit" and then some other bullshit. Nice shirt, bright colors. This guy was advertising his pride at having gone to war. He wanted the world to know where he had been, and implicitly what he had done.

And I was trying to imagine my father wearing a T-Shirt that said "Iwo Jima" or me to wear on that said "Dak To" and I just could not make the picture appear in my mind. My father was never proud of what he did and my service was nothing anyone would brag about either, both are better forgotten.

The country has fundamentally changed.

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My father served in the USAF 23 years and never, ever wore anything off duty that indicated any kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #1
discretion is the better part of valour. nt Snotcicles Aug 2013 #37
It certainly has.. SoCalDem Aug 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #5
you have a nice day too SoCalDem Aug 2013 #6
I feel much better, thank you. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #12
my dad onethatcares Aug 2013 #3
I've seen lots of old guys in hats that say "Korean War Veteran' or "Vietnam Veteran" etc... mwrguy Aug 2013 #4
Watch your mouth!!! OldRedneck Aug 2013 #22
this, from tags on their vehicles to the hats, the old guys just wear different shows loli phabay Aug 2013 #32
Recommend, and thanks for babylonsister Aug 2013 #7
My uncle, one of my dad's brothers, liberalhistorian Aug 2013 #9
Chicken Hawks RadioFreekentucky Aug 2013 #10
Agree. It bugs me too. trof Aug 2013 #11
My father was in WW1 zeemike Aug 2013 #13
Well, the drawdown is underway. A lot of those MADem Aug 2013 #27
Actually I have found a lot of his records. zeemike Aug 2013 #28
You should be able to find out, from his record, how he got the purple heart if you don't already MADem Aug 2013 #30
Yes I found out a lot about what he did in the war. zeemike Aug 2013 #31
That's great that you have all that! I agree about research, MADem Aug 2013 #33
The battle of Bellue Woods, I believe that was the battle that earned the Omnith Aug 2013 #43
the neocons since 1975/8 declared that we'd gone soft and were letting Moscow take over everything MisterP Aug 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Aug 2013 #15
My Father Served BillyRibs Aug 2013 #16
My father was supposedly in Thailand during the Vietnam war. nolabear Aug 2013 #17
Thanks for sharing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #18
Really a brilliant OP. My dad was a marine sufrommich Aug 2013 #19
Things changed under Reagan...what was real became fake and vice versa. Moostache Aug 2013 #20
Forget the 1970s nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #26
My brother was in Afghanistan and Iraq... antigone382 Aug 2013 #21
Real Pride and Love for ones Country randr Aug 2013 #23
You would be surprised as to how many chickenhawks are strutting around in costume. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #24
My father was with the resistance in Poland nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #25
They really never talk about it. My Uncle finally told his children I insisted. gordianot Aug 2013 #29
My father in WWII, in the South Pacific, he would never ever talk Raine Aug 2013 #34
My Daddy served in WWII. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2013 #35
Great idea... Sotf Aug 2013 #36
Thank you for your service bluedeathray Aug 2013 #38
My stepfather spent 18 months in Korea. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #39
2 tours in Nam, tumtum Aug 2013 #40
My uncle was in Merrill's Marauders and ellie Aug 2013 #41
I agree completely Omnith Aug 2013 #42
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