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Moostache

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20. Things changed under Reagan...what was real became fake and vice versa.
Wed Aug 7, 2013, 09:26 PM
Aug 2013

I remember the initial movies about the Vietnam War, the ones like Coming Home, Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now in the mid- to late-70's...dark, brooding films that made a point of portraying the way the war impacted people, affected them, changed them and their families. These were unrelenting looks at what consequences war can lead to - broken bodies, broken spirits, broken families and towns. They did not sugar coat things or try to make our misadventures in Southeast Asia seem like a victory lap of the region.

This was none too popular with the people who are today's raging "I love 'murica" hyper/pseudo-patriots or yesteryear's Reagan fanatics. They did not like the idea of possibly learning something from a mistake or a miscalculation or a misapplication of military power..."we are AMERICA!!!", in their eyes and to this day, we never apologize, for anything, to anyone, EVER.

They remember a different time of reflection on Vietnam and a different kind of veteran - John Rambo, and not the one from "First Blood" - the very excellent book and largely forgettable movie, but the utterly bastardized one from the Stallone propaganda sequels to a story that originally ended with the Vietnam Vet dying in a stand-off with police. Chuck Norris' POW rescue films were also spawned from this fantasy-version of Vietnam and its aftermath.

We were transformed from a shattered and questioning nation into a steroid-fueled, cocky, arrogant, "Fuck Yeah!" idiot farm. We went from a nation capable of introspection and growth to a raging adolescent with hormonal highs and delusional images of immortality and super-powers. I wish it weren't so, but it is and it has been for a very long time now. Anyone who dares to write or reflect the less than stellar aspects of America circa 2013 is immediately suspect, and dismissed as "fringe"....irrespective of political affiliation - and I do not mean the bloodless fringe zealots or right or left, I mean the people who dare to try to influence others in reasonable ways or to see things differently.

9/11 never had even a brief moment of introspection. We were invading Afghanistan within 4 weeks and have been at "war" ever since. We had lies and epic abuses of power and yet no war crimes, no trials, no consequences...later we have had massive financial fraud and theft and the near collapse of the global economy and yet....no consequences, no trials, no reflection.

America has not changed, America has lost its very soul and is currently a husk of a nation being fed on by vultures and scavengers who could care less and really are only concerned with how much profit they can squeeze out of the death throes. We are, we are...a waste of a nation (all apologies to P.O.D. and to those who can't make that particular connection)...

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My father served in the USAF 23 years and never, ever wore anything off duty that indicated any kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #1
discretion is the better part of valour. nt Snotcicles Aug 2013 #37
It certainly has.. SoCalDem Aug 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #5
you have a nice day too SoCalDem Aug 2013 #6
I feel much better, thank you. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author TxGrandpa Aug 2013 #12
my dad onethatcares Aug 2013 #3
I've seen lots of old guys in hats that say "Korean War Veteran' or "Vietnam Veteran" etc... mwrguy Aug 2013 #4
Watch your mouth!!! OldRedneck Aug 2013 #22
this, from tags on their vehicles to the hats, the old guys just wear different shows loli phabay Aug 2013 #32
Recommend, and thanks for babylonsister Aug 2013 #7
My uncle, one of my dad's brothers, liberalhistorian Aug 2013 #9
Chicken Hawks RadioFreekentucky Aug 2013 #10
Agree. It bugs me too. trof Aug 2013 #11
My father was in WW1 zeemike Aug 2013 #13
Well, the drawdown is underway. A lot of those MADem Aug 2013 #27
Actually I have found a lot of his records. zeemike Aug 2013 #28
You should be able to find out, from his record, how he got the purple heart if you don't already MADem Aug 2013 #30
Yes I found out a lot about what he did in the war. zeemike Aug 2013 #31
That's great that you have all that! I agree about research, MADem Aug 2013 #33
The battle of Bellue Woods, I believe that was the battle that earned the Omnith Aug 2013 #43
the neocons since 1975/8 declared that we'd gone soft and were letting Moscow take over everything MisterP Aug 2013 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Ilsa Aug 2013 #15
My Father Served BillyRibs Aug 2013 #16
My father was supposedly in Thailand during the Vietnam war. nolabear Aug 2013 #17
Thanks for sharing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #18
Really a brilliant OP. My dad was a marine sufrommich Aug 2013 #19
Things changed under Reagan...what was real became fake and vice versa. Moostache Aug 2013 #20
Forget the 1970s nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #26
My brother was in Afghanistan and Iraq... antigone382 Aug 2013 #21
Real Pride and Love for ones Country randr Aug 2013 #23
You would be surprised as to how many chickenhawks are strutting around in costume. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #24
My father was with the resistance in Poland nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #25
They really never talk about it. My Uncle finally told his children I insisted. gordianot Aug 2013 #29
My father in WWII, in the South Pacific, he would never ever talk Raine Aug 2013 #34
My Daddy served in WWII. Are_grits_groceries Aug 2013 #35
Great idea... Sotf Aug 2013 #36
Thank you for your service bluedeathray Aug 2013 #38
My stepfather spent 18 months in Korea. hobbit709 Aug 2013 #39
2 tours in Nam, tumtum Aug 2013 #40
My uncle was in Merrill's Marauders and ellie Aug 2013 #41
I agree completely Omnith Aug 2013 #42
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