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In reply to the discussion: Civil Rights Icon John Lewis: Snowdens Actions In Line With Gandhi, Thoreau [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,311 posts)70. Thomas Paine, perhaps?
Having taken work as a clerk after his expulsion by Congress, Paine eventually returned to London in 1787, living a largely private life. However, his passion was again sparked by revolution, this time in France, which he visited in 1790. Edmund Burke, who had supported the American Revolution, did not likewise support the events taking place in France, and wrote the critical Reflections on the Revolution in France, partially in response to a sermon by Richard Price, the radical minister of Newington Green Unitarian Church. Many pens rushed to defend the Revolution and the Dissenting clergyman, including Mary Wollstonecraft, who published A Vindication of the Rights of Men only weeks after the Reflections. Paine wrote Rights of Man, an abstract political tract critical of monarchies and European social institutions. He completed the text on January 29, 1791. On January 31, he gave the manuscript to publisher Joseph Johnson for publication on February 22. Meanwhile, government agents visited him, and, sensing dangerous political controversy, he reneged on his promise to sell the book on publication day; Paine quickly negotiated with publisher J.S. Jordan, then went to Paris, per William Blake's advice, leaving three good friends, William Godwin, Thomas Brand Hollis, and Thomas Holcroft, charged with concluding publication in Britain. The book appeared on March 13, three weeks later than scheduled, and sold well.
Undeterred by the government campaign to discredit him, Paine issued his Rights of Man, Part the Second, Combining Principle and Practice in February 1792. It detailed a representative government with enumerated social programs to remedy the numbing poverty of commoners through progressive tax measures. Radically reduced in price to ensure unprecedented circulation, it was sensational in its impact and gave birth to reform societies. An indictment for seditious libel followed, for both publisher and author, while government agents followed Paine and instigated mobs, hate meetings, and burnings in effigy. The authorities aimed, with ultimate success, to chase Paine out of Great Britain. He was then tried in absentia, found guilty though never executed.
In summer of 1792, he answered the sedition and libel charges thus: "If, to expose the fraud and imposition of monarchy ... to promote universal peace, civilization, and commerce, and to break the chains of political superstition, and raise degraded man to his proper rank; if these things be libellous ... let the name of libeller be engraved on my tomb".[41]
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Undeterred by the government campaign to discredit him, Paine issued his Rights of Man, Part the Second, Combining Principle and Practice in February 1792. It detailed a representative government with enumerated social programs to remedy the numbing poverty of commoners through progressive tax measures. Radically reduced in price to ensure unprecedented circulation, it was sensational in its impact and gave birth to reform societies. An indictment for seditious libel followed, for both publisher and author, while government agents followed Paine and instigated mobs, hate meetings, and burnings in effigy. The authorities aimed, with ultimate success, to chase Paine out of Great Britain. He was then tried in absentia, found guilty though never executed.
In summer of 1792, he answered the sedition and libel charges thus: "If, to expose the fraud and imposition of monarchy ... to promote universal peace, civilization, and commerce, and to break the chains of political superstition, and raise degraded man to his proper rank; if these things be libellous ... let the name of libeller be engraved on my tomb".[41]
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Civil Rights Icon John Lewis: Snowdens Actions In Line With Gandhi, Thoreau [View all]
Capt. Obvious
Aug 2013
OP
Naw, they're gonna make ageist jokes and claim he's got Alzheimers... n/t
backscatter712
Aug 2013
#10
Ellsberg's full release, in print, fits in a backpack; he had read it; and he knew what he released
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#148
Disagreeing with Mr. Lewis is not "smearing" him. I disagree because he and others before him
kelliekat44
Aug 2013
#51
The reporter did some spinning, to make his story sexier. Lewis is actually explaining
struggle4progress
Aug 2013
#146
Yes, especially now that Lewis has come out with his own statement criticizing this reporter's
pnwmom
Aug 2013
#178
Another durn "professional leftist". Bravo for John Lewis and Snowden.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#3
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Aug 2013
#46
Ummm, no...those people weren't citizens for the MAIN REASON of stealing from the British..
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#50
And the patriots boarded the Dartmouth, Eleanor and the Beaver to steal tea.
reusrename
Aug 2013
#114
...all planned BEFORE they were citizens?! You're kidding right, don't think I can make myself more
uponit7771
Aug 2013
#205
He worked for the CIA for a couple years, and the NSA for a few more, before joining BA.
reusrename
Aug 2013
#208
The vast database on US citizens that is being constructed by the ruling elite
ronnie624
Aug 2013
#106
Well, anyone with a brain would flee the USA after seeing what happened to Manning.
truedelphi
Aug 2013
#32
He has already 'paid the price' which I am certain a man as intelligent as Lewis already
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#43
And in line with the presidents oath to "defend and protect the Constitution".
grahamhgreen
Aug 2013
#16
Info dumper? How so? Snowden looked at the accusations (of dumping) against Manning...
deurbano
Aug 2013
#37
Not quite. The reporter misrepresented Representative Lewis's intent, focus and opinion on this
MADem
Aug 2013
#123
Those three paragraphs I provided were entirely Lewis's words, written by him, and in full context.
MADem
Aug 2013
#130
Indeed, and that was in response to a query about the anniversary of the March on Washington.
MADem
Aug 2013
#147
They weren't 'accurately' quoted, though, that is why Lewis issued his statement.
MADem
Aug 2013
#150
His statement does not say his quote was a product of a "mash-up" as you say.
morningfog
Aug 2013
#152
I am not "reading into" anything. I'm going by what Congressman Lewis actually said in his press
MADem
Aug 2013
#159
No--he said that about the MARCH ON WASHINGTON. That was the TOPIC of the interview.
MADem
Aug 2013
#163
I am NOT the only person making the claim. JOHN LEWIS, who was IN the interview, is making it.
MADem
Aug 2013
#171
The reporter was clear in the question that the subject was Snowden
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#182
What is shoddy is that you buy this unknown reporter's assertions, and disregard the civil rights
MADem
Aug 2013
#183
Spend less time trying to spin the out of context quotes and more time reading his press release.
MADem
Aug 2013
#185
Yeah, sure--it's SPIN to call attention to the comments you choose to ignore. nt
MADem
Aug 2013
#187
I suggested repeatedly you point something out, and you have failed to do so
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#195
I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. If you can't sort out the meaning from them
MADem
Aug 2013
#196
And you still can't point out how my posts contradict anything Lews said (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#199
Well, I already did that. I gave you the text of Congressman Lewis's remarks. They contradict your
MADem
Aug 2013
#200
So, the goading and baiting didn't work; now you're trying out personal insults?
MADem
Aug 2013
#203
you don't think life in exile & fear of reprisal = a price? you'd rather he got what manning got,
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#36
why wouldn't he fear a trial? it means being locked up for the rest of his life like manning.
HiPointDem
Aug 2013
#76
I see a little invective in your comment, the usual attempt to undermine those you disagree with.
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#59
Yet 'free' countries like France, Italy, Spain and Portugal blocked the Bolivian president
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#71
So lets see, John Lewis, Jimmy Carter, Daniel Ellsberg, Juan Cole, Naomi Klein
riderinthestorm
Aug 2013
#44
Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of news that Tyranny is coming!
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Aug 2013
#45
That was a lie. And Rep. Lewis corrected it when he made a statement about the false
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#53
He is a truthful man who doesn't tolerate lies, especially about those he respects. He told the
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#56
There was also a process which was followed. Rep. Lewis, unlike OWS haters, understood the
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#63
43,000 posts, 7 years on DU, and you don't know who John Lewis is?
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#87
you participate in an American political discussion forum and you don't know who John Lewis is?
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#88
I would expect someone who blogged about baseball and had written thousands of post about baseball
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#99
Every single one of my responses is about not knowing who the messenger is!!!!!!!!!
treestar
Aug 2013
#96
Don't be obtuse. Here's a few pictures of him so you'll know in the future.
Capt. Obvious
Aug 2013
#104
I'm not taking about him now; this is about you calling what he said
muriel_volestrangler
Aug 2013
#105
Rep. John Lewis: "NO PRAISE FOR SNOWDEN-Reports about my interview with The Guardian are misleading"
SidDithers
Aug 2013
#110
Where is the correction in the OP? The OP should place this additional information in the OP.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#129
"I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Mohandas Gandhi..."
phleshdef
Aug 2013
#145
Apperantly. All I said was that the OP should correct the record and I got attacked for being
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#158
Thanks Sid. I knew in my heart that Lewis's words were somehow being misrepresented.
lamp_shade
Aug 2013
#132
More of Lewis' words: "I never praised Mr. Snowden or said his actions rise to those of Gandhi."
Bolo Boffin
Aug 2013
#142
You're not "confused" at all. More spinning from snowden fans now that the guardian has
Cha
Aug 2013
#154
Looks like they added a lot to his words, too. We know who's paying for all of this. The Koches.
freshwest
Aug 2013
#188